Power Cables... Really? - Page 5  

Come to the meets. One of the best ways to try things out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG POPPA 

Come to the meets. One of the best ways to try things out.

If this wasn't the science-free forum...

No no. I don't mean try it out. I mean the proof you said you had. Which I imagine means solid, empirical scientific proof. If not, choose another word/phrase. "Formed the opinion that" or something.

Man if you really need scientific proof for audio, you will not get very far with your journey?? Somethings really just need a little advice and auditioning to be put in the right direction. My opinions are based on real world applications of spending money, DIYing, auditioning, DIYing some more, spending more money until I get the sound right. If you are looking for scientific proof to spend money you will not enjoy this hobby that much. Make some cables with different types of connectors and go from there. That is the first step. You can do it on the cheap. Ask the retailer what all the different metals in the connectors do and go from there. retailers and manufactures can be really helpful pointing you in the right direction in good cables for your rig.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Head Injury 

No no. I don't mean try it out. I mean the proof you said you had. Which I imagine means solid, empirical scientific proof. If not, choose another word/phrase. "Formed the opinion that" or something.

This thread is about power cables, not cables in general.  If I worked retail and some sucker came up to me with $2k to spend on a power cable I would be ready with suggestions too.
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG POPPA 

Man if you really need scientific proof for audio, you will not get very far with your journey?? Somethings really just need a little advice and auditioning to be put in the right direction. My opinions are based on real world applications of spending money, DIYing, auditioning, DIYing some more, spending more money until I get the sound right. If you are looking for scientific proof to spend money you will not enjoy this hobby that much. Make some cables with different types of connectors and go from there. That is the first step. You can do it on the cheap. Ask the retailer what all the different metals in the connectors do and go from there. retailers and manufactures can be really helpful pointing you in the right direction in good cables for your rig.

 

Be careful The guy who has 2K to spend on cables probably knows more about the cable he is looking for than you do. He is just looking for a good opinion to make sure he is right. I had a audio meeting with those type of guys last week as a guest. I make most of my own cables for my own personal use. Power, IC's, and Senn Cables. I prefer my own power cables at the moment. Power cables are pretty straight forward once you learn the metallurgy and the strenght and weakness's of the gear.
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by bridge8989 

This thread is about power cables, not cables in general.  If I worked retail and some sucker came up to me with $2k to spend on a power cable I would be ready with suggestions too.
 

 

Those who scream loudest usually have the least to say.

What changes could i expect if i upgraded my power cable. Does it clean up the sound? or does it actually change the sound?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG POPPA 

Man if you really need scientific proof for audio, you will not get very far with your journey??

Because of course everyone knows faith has such an impressive track record of success.  All you need to do is take a quick listen to the Holy See's Stereo of Our Saviour to know The Truth.  You normally wouldn't expect such amazing sound from a 2000 year old wooden box, but if you just believe hard enough, you can hear the Choir of the Seraphim.

Audiophilia is a hobby, not a religious experience.  It is entirely possible to branch out into voodoo products, but it is also just as valid to learn about the science and engineering behind the gear, and work your way from there.  It is not blasphemous, nor does it dilute the validity or the enjoyment we get from headphones. 

I very much enjoy the science behind audio reproduction.  I also buy based on my tastes in sound - otherwise youd see a BHSE, and certainly not HE90's, in my setup.  I do not feel the two must be mutually exclusive.  At the same time, I have tried many IC and a few power cable swaps - none have ever made a difference to me.  But even if they did, I would certainly want to double check my findings with either 1) a dbt (please dont hate me for bringing it up here), or 2) some real demonstrated scientific data from a reputable source (aka someone who doesnt sell, and is not affiliated with salesmen of, audio products). 

There is certainly no pressure for you to heed any such evidence, and your own experience may very well prevail.  But stating that others are having an inferior "journey" is, quite frankly, pretentious and snarky. 
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG POPPA 

Man if you really need scientific proof for audio, you will not get very far with your journey??

 

In a practical sense using a scientific method would be very cumbersome to try several cables out efficiently. It would hinder trying to audition cables in an audio shop. I get some like to use a scientific method to understand. IMO it is a waste of time in the real world upgrading your rig. Spend money, listen to the power cable, if it sounds great GOOD. Keep the cable. If it sounds bad, return it and try it again. Simple as that.
 

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_Doug 

Audiophilia is a hobby, not a religious experience.  It is entirely possible to branch out into voodoo products, but it is also just as valid to learn about the science and engineering behind the gear, and work your way from there.  It is not blasphemous, nor does it dilute the validity or the enjoyment we get from headphones. 

 

I very much enjoy the science behind audio reproduction.  I also buy based on my tastes in sound - otherwise youd see a BHSE, and certainly not HE90's, in my setup.  I do not feel the two must be mutually exclusive.  At the same time, I have tried many IC and a few power cable swaps - none have ever made a difference to me.  But even if they did, I would certainly want to double check my findings with either 1) a dbt (please dont hate me for bringing it up here), or 2) some real demonstrated scientific data from a reputable source (aka someone who doesnt sell, and is not affiliated with salesmen of, audio products). 

 

There is certainly no pressure for you to heed any such evidence, and your own experience may very well prevail.  But stating that others are having an inferior "journey" is, quite frankly, pretentious and snarky. 
 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Farnsworth 

What changes could i expect if i upgraded my power cable. Does it clean up the sound? or does it actually change the sound?

IMO, expect objective changes in sounstaging - and at what frequency the staging changes at.  This in turn alters imaging and subjective frequency response.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG POPPA 

In a practical sense using a scientific method would be very cumbersome to try several cables out efficiently. It would hinder trying to audition cables in an audio shop. I get some like to use a scientific method to understand. IMO it is a waste of time in the real world upgrading your rig. Spend money, listen to the power cable, if it sounds great GOOD. Keep the cable. If it sounds bad, return it and try it again. Simple as that.
 

 

Let us assume that blind cable tests are hard, but possible to pass, YET there is usually a consciously audible difference between cables as common as you hear mentioned on audiophile forums, it would follow that man gets in his own way when it comes to listening "critically" for whatever differences exist between cables while doing blind tests, but he is able to consciously discern a difference under more "ideal" circumstances. If this theory is true, it would actually facilitate one's conscious awareness of cable differences to practice blind tests, just like lab monkeys have to get over the fact that they are test subjects far from their natural environment.