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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

What might be an interesting comparison would be these cans, but each with a separate rig most suited to them individually. Comparing entire set-ups would be quite fun I think.

 

I nominate a nice euphonic amp like the WA22 (optimized for the HD800 with whatever tubes Skylab wants, he's working on it now), and the Liquid Fire with stock tubes (to make it fair price-wise at least) for the LCD-2. Since one amp is SE and one is balanced you could use the same source at the same time. Opinions vary but there aren't too many amps on par with these two for these two headphones, I think there is some consensus on that. It would also be fun to use a few different balanced DACs for comparison, but something like the W4S is developing a good following so that would be great for a start. Don't forget headphone cables, with modular connections the same ones could be used on both cans to eliminate that variable or each headphone could be optimized with different cables. So I agree that both headphones could be compared while optimized with separate amplifiers, but ideally it would be within the same "setup", sharing the same front end.


Edited by grokit - 6/4/11 at 8:52am
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Who has all this gear?  And why do the amps needs to be fair price wise?  The HD-800 are at least $500 more in price than the LCD-2.  

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Who has all this gear?  And why do the amps needs to be fair price wise?  The HD-800 are at least $500 more in price than the LCD-2.  

 

Nothing's fair. A comparison like this would be well-served by having more than one person present, so no individual would have to have all of this gear. It was just one idea and it was right on topic. If you have a different idea for a showdown between the HD800 and the LCD-2 then tell us about it, as opposed to just being negative.


Edited by grokit - 6/4/11 at 9:27am
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Wasn't being negative, I was asking why price mattered, if the Liquid Fire performs better with other tubes that I think its should be freely allowed to use it with the best tubes.  Because the headphone prices were not equal.  

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Okay I see your point but I still don't think that the relative price of the headphones matters as much as the rest of the chain when comparing them.


Edited by grokit - 6/4/11 at 10:13am
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Hey, no tweeners allowed here.  wink.gif  Either whole system price matters or it doesn't.  Both scenarios are useful, but a price no object optimized system for each headphone would be an interesting comparison of which headphone is better.

 

An equal system cost comparison would be interesting to determine which can represents the best price/performance value proposition.

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For the best price/performance value proposition I would take my Alesis with the Devilsound and the TSRP tube stage going into the HE-6. Whoops wrong thread tongue.gif

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Quote:Originally Posted by grokit 



"I nominate a nice euphonic amp like the WA22 (optimized for the HD800 with whatever tubes Skylab wants, he's working on it now), and the Liquid Fire with stock tubes (to make it fair price-wise at least) for the LCD-2. Since one amp is SE and one is balanced you could use the same source at the same time. Opinions vary but there aren't too many amps on par with these two for these two headphones, I think there is some consensus on that. It would also be fun to use a few different balanced DACs for comparison, but something like the W4S is developing a good following so that would be great for a start. Don't forget headphone cables, with modular connections the same ones could be used on both cans to eliminate that variable or each headphone could be optimized with different cables. So I agree that both headphones could be compared while optimized with separate amplifiers, but ideally it would be within the same "setup", sharing the same front end."


I think the LCD2 works stunningly well with the beta22. The Apache was also terrific with it.

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For the best price/performance value proposition I would take my Alesis with the Devilsound and the TSRP tube stage going into the HE-6. Whoops wrong thread tongue.gif



Good one!  wink_face.gif

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Quote:Originally Posted by grokit 



"I nominate a nice euphonic amp like the WA22 (optimized for the HD800 with whatever tubes Skylab wants, he's working on it now), and the Liquid Fire with stock tubes (to make it fair price-wise at least) for the LCD-2. Since one amp is SE and one is balanced you could use the same source at the same time. Opinions vary but there aren't too many amps on par with these two for these two headphones, I think there is some consensus on that. It would also be fun to use a few different balanced DACs for comparison, but something like the W4S is developing a good following so that would be great for a start. Don't forget headphone cables, with modular connections the same ones could be used on both cans to eliminate that variable or each headphone could be optimized with different cables. So I agree that both headphones could be compared while optimized with separate amplifiers, but ideally it would be within the same "setup", sharing the same front end."


I think the LCD2 works stunningly well with the beta22. The Apache was also terrific with it.


That would be a great comparison as well, just take the tubes right out of the equation for the LCD-2. From what I have read the GS-X might also be on par.

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Quote:Originally Posted by grokit 




"That would be a great comparison as well, just take the tubes right out of the equation for the LCD-2. From what I have read the GS-X might also be on par."


I just happen to have the WA2 here. So a HD800/WA2 vs LCD2/beta22 is something that can be done. Plus I've already listened to each of those setups. Although I didn't A/B it that way. It would be easy to do. Just switch ICs.

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It would be easy to do. Just switch ICs.


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Quote:Originally Posted by grokit 

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I'll do some listening tonight and post some thoughts tomorrow. So it'll be the LCD2 with the beta22 vs the HD800 with the WA2.

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Are the HD800's better with the WA2 or the Beta22.  I heard them on the Beta22 and was very impressed.  Can't remember if i have heard them on the WA2 but I have heard them on many Woo amps and though they sound good i didn't remember any getting to the B22 level.

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"Are the HD800's better with the WA2 or the Beta22.  I heard them on the Beta22 and was very impressed.  Can't remember if i have heard them on the WA2 but I have heard them on many Woo amps and though they sound good i didn't remember any getting to the B22 level."



Here's my review of the Woo WA2 vs the Woo WA6SE. I used the HD800 primarily for the testing:


http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/555749/sibling-rivalry-the-woo-wa2-vs-the-woo-wa6se-review-posted#post_7499062


Here's my review of the beta22 vs the Woo WA6SE. Again the HD800 was the primary headphone:


http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/548400/the-woo-wa6se-and-beta22-sigma22-amps-face-off-review-posted#post_7391958


You should be able to extrapolate how I feel about the amps with the HD800 by reading them.

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