Westone ES5 - Page 345

I'm so confused. I've heard both and JH13 is a lot more energetic and bright. ES5 decay is slower, and highs are not as extended. Has more mid emphasis than JH13 sure, but not the highs. o_O

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Originally Posted by czqdtc 

 

JH 13 can be bright in some cases and you are right they might have more high-highs, and this is the truth. But, ES5 is just more emphasized on the upper mid to high frequency range, which made it what it is, energetic and bright.

Received my ES5 refit. Much better result this time, no loss of seal or change in isolation when I open my mouth. Only loses seal when I smile reeeally wide. Think I'm gonna let that be.

Right tip is slightly longer, and I suspect that's why it doesn't disappear in the ear sensation wise quite as well as the left. But overall still comfortable.

Getting used to the thicker mids. Mids sound similar to um3x if memory serves me well. Every spectrum sounds more foward than my W4. Makes W4 sound overly polite. No cringing at all, unlike the JH13/16. Yup. I definitely have to agree the JHs are much brighter.

I just received my new toxic silver cables for the ES5. The toxic are replacing the silver dragons that I was using. I am crazy about these new cables. The cables have warmth and detail, smoothness and the tonality is fantastic. The difference is night and day between these two cables. My ES5 are elevated in sound going through Cypher Labs Solo and my alo audio RX3B amp. I also replaced the wire between the amp and solo as well as the wire to the I Phone. The sound elevated as each new wire was used. These wires are cryo. treated and I can't wait until I get 100 hours on these.

I wouldn't go as far as call it a "night and day" difference, but I'm glad the cables work for you. :) I have yet to really hear a difference with a mini-mini when DBTing. 

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Originally Posted by Jwm48324 

I just received my new toxic silver cables for the ES5. The toxic are replacing the silver dragons that I was using. I am crazy about these new cables. The cables have warmth and detail, smoothness and the tonality is fantastic. The difference is night and day between these two cables. My ES5 are elevated in sound going through Cypher Labs Solo and my alo audio RX3B amp. I also replaced the wire between the amp and solo as well as the wire to the I Phone. The sound elevated as each new wire was used. These wires are cryo. treated and I can't wait until I get 100 hours on these.

Heard back, there has been no change to the ES5's signature or any tuning made for a particular geographic region.

Most likely a case of poor fit.

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Originally Posted by Anaxilus 

 

Did you guys all go to the same audiologist for impressions?  Your impression is definitely in the minority here confirmed by the few measurements we've seen.  No way is a JH13 less treble emphasized than an ES5.  I've even talked to the design engineer who made the ES5 specifically in regards to the JH13 signature.  The JH13 is even brighter than the UERM and the UERM is brighter than the ES5.  Your fit is bad or the phones are broken or Westone changed the signature without telling anyone.  Let me ask around to confirm something just in case.

 

You should see my sig and profile to see what phones I have or used in the past.  Though I stopped updating it about a year ago.  

I think my JH13Pro have a similar amount of treble quantity and extension as my ES5, which is improved over my ES3X.  The ES5 mids are a little more elevated than the JH13pro, and the bass extension is about the same.  Where they differ in the bass is the ES5 have more mid-upper bass, and the JH13Pro have a little more lower and deep bass.

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Originally Posted by iamdacow 

But the es5s have a more recessed/laidback and smoother treble than the jh13s. Not lacking by any means but I do notice that cymbals are more recessed on the es5s as compared to my jh13s.

I don't hear it that way with my pair, likely due to a different fit and ear canal depth.

hi guys, you all have been very helpful and I thank you heaps for this

wonderful forum.

i will soon take the plunge in purchasing the Westone ES5's

however I have few concerns in regards to overall fitment of the product by which

I will be keen to use every day(not professional usage, just a bit of an audiophile),

What tips or advice should I be told about in regards to getting the correct fitment?

Should I request to have the ear canal slightly longer and thicker?

Should I bite and tense my cheek to get a wider ear diameter when getting impression done?

I want to have them best fitting as possible without popping when I swallow or chew

or smile very big. I do not want them too loose where I loose the isolation factor or

Not too tight to the point I'm conscious they are there and my ear gets irritated and fatigued.

I would like the best possible fit with least irritation,

as my ears whinge over the most little disturbances and are very naggy,

therefore can you please recommend me any tips or advice to take aboard in regards

to the fitment and ear impression process, or any extra request for slight modification I should inform

Westone about prior to having these babies molded for the best possible fit?

I want to be correct on the fitment and prevent the inconvenience of having a refit and re-shell due to crappy location

and limited authorized Westone dealers as it would simply take more money and time.

Thanks again guys

Ask around for a reputable audiologist that knows what they are doing when it comes to Westone and IEMs. There should be one around you, update your profile with your location and someone might help you out. I would go as far as driving a few hundred miles to see the right person...

Relax your mouth and face, use a bite block. I was told to open my mouth as far as I was comfortable and bite down on a block that had many gradations. I just bit down on the gradation that was slightly smaller than my largest mouth opening. Don't talk, move, smile. laugh while the gel is curing.

Audiologist should inspect your ear and shove a piece of trimmed foam in as deep as it will go into each ear. Mine was so deep on the right hand side that it hurt a little and was quite uncomfortable. When the silicon sets and the audiologist removes the mould, it should sort of "pop" out. Not literally a popping sound, but you should have the sensation that your whole ear had something in it all the way to the tip when it gets removed.

Lastly, because the tips on the ES5's flex quite a far bit, I wouldn't be too worried about an uncomfortable fit in the first week or two of use. Provided the audiologist did a good job, the fit should be right and it will be a matter of tip angles and movement, as well as you getting used to inserting them correctly and removing them correctly without disturbing the tips too much. After 4 weeks of constant use, mine are a perfect fit but early on I really thought I had to return my right ear for remould. I am glad I didn't. Just take your time with them and don't be too hasty (again provided the audiologist did a good job to begin with.) Also I feel that too deep of a fit can be problematic if the sound tubes for some reason are not pointing in the right direction (towards your eardrum).

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by iamdacow 

Source and amp also can also be a factor.

Except even with a lowly iPhone 4S or iPod Nano my sonic impressions don't match his.

Guys i know that this most likely is kinda off topic but i cld not find a thread for this but anyway here it goes, How do Custom IEMs fair for gaming? Not just the ES5s, it can be any custom. And are they better than gaming headsets? Thanks Guys