review: Phiaton MS 400 - Page 7

lol sry for triple ppost but i figured out what the baffle thing is but will the tape lower the mids because when i put foam in it lowers treble, and i love the treble on them i just want less mid more bass but obviously not an overwhelming amount

and i just tried covering the very center part of the baffle thing assuming the mid is most present there and i got decent results but i feel like its muffled 

wait wat i thought the bass ones were the ones on the outside and the baffle were the center holes 

actually so far everything ive tried is making a muffly sound i was thinking of just using the m50 pads and cutting out the center unless theirs another material that will work nicely

Thanks for the review! how do they sound with classical?

But MS400 sound stage is almost NIL.  There is hardly any width to it with almost no staging out directly in front of you.  In term of sonic qualities the MS400 is not bad, but presentation is almost the polar opposite of what most listeners would want to have while listening to classical.

Tried this mod with bunched up saran wrap instead of cotton/gauze...sounds ghetto but it noticeably improves the soundstage AND isolation (sounds weird but its true), also makes them (barely) circumaural to me; for reference my ears are pretty average sized. Having something underneath the pads stretches them out, makes them more taut and makes the ear-space bigger. Also tightens up the bass a little, it feels punchier now. I really wish there was some way to mod the drivers to bring out the subbass...if I could magically improve extension on both ends and give the mids a little bit more of an aggressive feel, the MS400 would now be THE perfect headphone for me.

Also I'm curious if anyone might have ideas about how the sound would change by removing black fabric that covers the driver. Perhaps bring the highs forward? Any chance it would lessen the bass?

I think I also saw something once about puncturing the mesh that sits between the fabric and driver, you can see it when you remove the earpads, but I can't seem to find it now.

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Originally Posted by Gilly87 

Tried this mod with bunched up saran wrap instead of cotton/gauze...sounds ghetto but it noticeably improves the soundstage AND isolation (sounds weird but its true), also makes them (barely) circumaural to me; for reference my ears are pretty average sized. Having something underneath the pads stretches them out, makes them more taut and makes the ear-space bigger. Also tightens up the bass a little, it feels punchier now. I really wish there was some way to mod the drivers to bring out the subbass...if I could magically improve extension on both ends and give the mids a little bit more of an aggressive feel, the MS400 would now be THE perfect headphone for me.

 

Also I'm curious if anyone might have ideas about how the sound would change by removing black fabric that covers the driver. Perhaps bring the highs forward? Any chance it would lessen the bass?

 

I think I also saw something once about puncturing the mesh that sits between the fabric and driver, you can see it when you remove the earpads, but I can't seem to find it now.

really? I loved the mids of the MS400, easily my favorite mids of any can I've heard. The bass really complimented it and gave warmth to it, I felt like I was listening to new music all the time, but I also thought the bass wasn't aggressive enough when called for. Very very relaxed headphones. 

Oh don't get me wrong, I love the mids on the MS400, they are lush and absolutely gorgeous, excellent for any kind of vocals IMO; I just wish the whole sound was more up-front sometimes though.