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post #6166 of 7692
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Originally Posted by hekeli View Post

I guess I'm deaf since O2/G109/V200/Soloist all pretty much sounded the same to me. So they are all warm? Or neutral? Are you guys really talking about the last 5% differences that only some hear/care or have you actually done level matched ABing?

 

If you didn't hear it, you're either "lucky" and you will not have to have all these concerns, or something else at play in your system such as suboptimal source. I've level matched A/B'ed my V200 and Soloist at home. There is a clear difference, recognisable by non-audiophiles such as wife.

post #6167 of 7692
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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post


IMO, what one hear might not be what the other hear. Down to personal preferences too. One may perceive warm as his "neutral" as he prefers it.


Indeed, it's all subjective.

post #6168 of 7692
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Originally Posted by i019791 View Post

Neutral = cold ?

If the Soloist is warmer than the Mjolnir (as I have read, if I remember well - otherwise reverse the amps in the sentence), it is not neutral ?

 

Edit: Nevermind, as I think Monir above put it better than me

 

Spectrum is: Warm -> Neutral -> Cold. Think of an axis with -, 0, +. The definion of neutral should be: The amp does not add/substract any coloration to the sound coming out of the DAC, or ideally the original sound.  

 

Obviously there are individual sets of ears, preferences yada, ymmv, etc... But then again, it makes it more difficult to have a conversation where the definition of terms swings...


Edited by negura - 5/19/13 at 6:43am
post #6169 of 7692
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Originally Posted by negura View Post

 

If you didn't hear it, you're either "lucky" and you will not have to have all these concerns, or something else at play in your system such as suboptimal source. I've level matched A/B'ed my V200 and Soloist at home. There is a clear difference, recognisable by non-audiophiles such as wife.


I just spent days comparing G109(*) and Soloist with Concero as source (and HD800's). If there was a "clear" difference, then certainly not for my ears. There might have been _very_ small differences, but I choose to ignore anything that's not clearly repeatable (maybe our definition of clear differs). I also don't count anything that requires switch times over 1 second..

 

It's pretty funny since I wouldn't really consider my hearing bad, I score very well for example in the distortion detection test (can't remember the url right now..).

 

(*)I compared O2/G109/V200 long time ago with instant RCA switchbox without clear differences. So I believe G109/V200 are pretty comparable.


Edited by hekeli - 5/19/13 at 7:01am
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Im currently looking at the Burson Soloist SL, ALO Pan Am, Schiit Bifrost + Lyr combo, Woo Audio WA7/WA6SE, Musical fidelity M1 HPA, and Centrance Dacmini.
Has anyone here tried a few of those amps with the LCD2. Which gives the strongest bass impact. Which gives the best soundstage.
post #6171 of 7692
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Originally Posted by Taliesin View Post

Im currently looking at the Burson Soloist SL, ALO Pan Am, Schiit Bifrost + Lyr combo, Woo Audio WA7/WA6SE, Musical fidelity M1 HPA, and Centrance Dacmini.
Has anyone here tried a few of those amps with the LCD2. Which gives the strongest bass impact. Which gives the best soundstage.
IMHO, Bifrost+Lyr, followed very closely by Bifrost+Soloist.
post #6172 of 7692
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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post

IMHO, Bifrost+Lyr, followed very closely by Bifrost+Soloist.

Lyr gives both, Soloist is a little more detailed and neutral.
post #6173 of 7692

I never liked any of the LCD2's with the Lyr, sound was too constricted and muffled. I liked the V100/V200 with my modded LCD2 rev.1's but it was a weird mix with the rev.2's. As I've been saying for quite a while now, you want the polar opposites of the traits of an amp to pair with the LCD2's. LCD2's are dark, warm and laid back, you want an amp that is bright/neutral to balance the flaws/sound sig of the rev.2's.

 

For some reason I just never seemed to have gotten into the Soloist + LCD2 pairing (neither did I with the Conductor, 160A/D). Amazingly Burson's manufacturing plant is only 25 minutes drive away from me.

post #6174 of 7692
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

I never liked any of the LCD2's with the Lyr, sound was too constricted and muffled. I liked the V100/V200 with my modded LCD2 rev.1's but it was a weird mix with the rev.2's. As I've been saying for quite a while now, you want the polar opposites of the traits of an amp to pair with the LCD2's. LCD2's are dark, warm and laid back, you want an amp that is bright/neutral to balance the flaws/sound sig of the rev.2's.

For some reason I just never seemed to have gotten into the Soloist + LCD2 pairing (neither did I with the Conductor, 160A/D). Amazingly Burson's manufacturing plant is only 25 minutes drive away from me.

That's your opinion. I like the LCD-2 just the way it is, if you are tryin to neutralize everything might as well get a neutral can in te first place. It seems like you are attempting to do away with all of the LCD-2s traits. And NO I so not find warm Bassy and dark a negative.

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post #6175 of 7692

Warm amp + LCD2 = yuck.

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Originally Posted by myap2328 View Post.

500th Post- Nice!

 

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post #6177 of 7692
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Originally Posted by Taliesin View Post

Im currently looking at the Burson Soloist SL, ALO Pan Am, Schiit Bifrost + Lyr combo, Woo Audio WA7/WA6SE, Musical fidelity M1 HPA, and Centrance Dacmini.
Has anyone here tried a few of those amps with the LCD2. Which gives the strongest bass impact. Which gives the best soundstage.

Forget about the M1HPA...I know from experience. It is FAR too polite an amp for the LCD2 signature. Treble is refined(ish), but splashy and a bit sterile. Also has no punch whatsoever. I thought it would make a solid pairing, and it does overall...I'm just left wanting more with each listen.

I'm currently auditioning the Burson Soloist SL (Burson's loaner program) and am loving the sound!!
post #6178 of 7692
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Originally Posted by OPR8R View Post

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post #6179 of 7692
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

As I've been saying for quite a while now, you want the polar opposites of the traits of an amp to pair with the LCD2's. LCD2's are dark, warm and laid back, you want an amp that is bright/neutral to balance the flaws/sound sig of the rev.2's.

 

 

For once we agree.  Like I said befor the best I've heard the LCD-2 was on the Mjolnir.  That is is neutral to being  a tad bit on the bright side..

post #6180 of 7692

If anything I sometimes feel that I want the LCD-2 to be warmer lol

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