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post #4921 of 7757
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Originally Posted by AiDee View Post

Hi vinyl addict. I second the Taboo recommendation even without the CSP2+ preamp. ATM I run my Taboo straight from my DAC. Taboo was originally designed as a 6W (8-ohm) speaker amp. FWIW it puts a little over 2W into an LCD2.

I won't be running a dac since the source will be all vinyl.

 

In regards to the Taboo (sans CSP2+) I've read that the volume control and headphone output jack is less than desirable and the CSP2+ is a necessity.  Your thoughts?

 

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Originally Posted by sphinxvc View Post
Apologies if I'm steering the conversation away from the LCD-2, but $2-3K is a lot of money to invest in this headphone IMO.

 

Yeah it's mucho dinero and would rather not go there.  Which amp would you recommend that will max out the LCD-2's performance without laying down big money?

 

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Originally Posted by longbowbbs View Post

Another combo would be the Decware CSP2+ Preamp and Taboo amp. Same price range and good reports for driving the LCD-2. www.decware.com

Ok... more reading to do,  Thanks for the suggestion.

post #4922 of 7757
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Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post

In regards to the Taboo (sans CSP2+) I've read that the volume control and headphone output jack is less than desirable and the CSP2+ is a necessity.  Your thoughts?

 

Hi again vinyl addict

 

That's hard to answer. Taboo was designed with a 4V input in mind, and hence CSP2+ - which can be adjusted from 1-36V - is a recommended add-on by Decware to "unleash insane dynamics". Head-fier Frank I reported the CSP2 did indeed make his Taboo sound better.

 

I don't have the CSP2+ (yet - one is incoming). Therefore I cannot comment. But I can say Taboo alone sounds more dynamic than any of the other amps I listed., for example, better dynamics and attack than the Lyr (caveat: I have used good but not the top recommended tubes with Lyr).

 

To explore this matter of dynamics I did try my HFA tube preamp with Taboo. Although Taboo and HFA have outstanding clarity in themselves, the combination was - surprisingly - muddy. A synergy problem then?!

 

I have not tried pigtails with Taboo in order to test it with/without output jack. This would not be an easy test (swapping back and forth, listening delays), and to be useful and valuable would need a good few days concentrated effort IMO.

 

FWIW, there are a number of head-fiers I respect - see Frank I's Taboo thread - who seem to have found Taboo with output jack and LCD2 a good combination.

 

Finally, I thoroughly endorse Sphinxvc's reply to you - an excellent post.

 

(Minor edits for readability)


Edited by AiDee - 8/13/12 at 5:28pm
post #4923 of 7757
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I don't have the CSP2+ (yet - one is incoming). Therefore I cannot comment. But I can say Taboo alone sounds more dynamic than any of the other amps I listed., for example, better dynamics and attack than the Lyr (caveat: I have used good but not the top recommended tubes with Lyr).

The Taboo does sound promising.  In regards to the highs/mids, how would you describe the sound compared to the Lyr?  Ie, less/more forward, laid back, brighter, softer, neutral, etc...

 

Does your Taboo have the V-Cap upgrade?

post #4924 of 7757

With the caveat I stated before about what tubes I tried in the Lyr (Matsu' 6922 for the record, which I preferred to several others in the same $40-60 range), and a further caveat that these are just my impressions not the result of focused comparison...

 

I've started with how I hear Lyr. As you have one too, this may give you a reference point.

 

I found Lyr to noticeably thicken the mids, most clearly with electric guitar. Blues and rock could sound great. Bass had grunt. Highs were characterized by surprising delicacy and finesse. Attack I found soft, especially compared to the Meier Concerto which is still king in this respect. Overall, I noticed the balance leaned toward bass, something it shares with the Violectric V100.

 

In contrast Taboo (mostly stock tubes: 2 x 6N1P and JJ 5U4; 1 x NOS Tung Sol 12AU7 driver) I found balanced and simply more dynamic. It seems to do bass just as well as Lyr, mids - with these tube-sets - were less romantic and portrayed harmonics more clearly (e.g. decay of piano and cello), and highs were extended and detailed. The overall impression is that everything is vivid (by which I mean dynamic) yet balanced.

 

More forward? No, because it seems balanced.

 

Laid back? No, because of the dynamics.

 

Neutral? Yes, I'd have to say the configuration above tends markedly to neutral. Obviously though there are tube choices e.g. Mullard 12AT7 as driver which sound warmer.

 

Brighter? Well, it does highs so well one might think so, yet I just wrote it's basically neutral..."not dark" would be the better descriptor.

 

Softer? No, it seems to have better speed and attack than Lyr so softer is not a word I would use.

 

VCAPs? Yes.

 

BTW, I recently 'upgraded' the rectifier to a NOS Tung Sol 5Y3GT. This changes the voltage points and theoretically should lead to a less analytical, more lush sound. Actually, with good source material I found it sounded astonishingly "live" and "immediate". With other material not so much.

 

The one respect in which Taboo is bettered across all my amps is attack. The Concerto is hard to beat here, but it does this by being a little dry - i.e. harmonics decay quickly. Terrific when I'm in the mood for analytical and detailed.

 

These are my impressions FWIW. YMMV etc. I strongly urge you to audition this and your other options if you can.

 

If there's one thing for sure, it's that we all have different ears with different brain decoding!

post #4925 of 7757
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Originally Posted by AiDee View Post

With the caveat I stated before about what tubes I tried in the Lyr (Matsu' 6922 for the record, which I preferred to several others in the same $40-60 range), and a further caveat that these are just my impressions not the result of focused comparison...

 

I've started with how I hear Lyr. As you have one too, this may give you a reference point.

 

I found Lyr to noticeably thicken the mids, most clearly with electric guitar. Blues and rock could sound great. Bass had grunt. Highs were characterized by surprising delicacy and finesse. Attack I found soft, especially compared to the Meier Concerto which is still king in this respect. Overall, I noticed the balance leaned toward bass, something it shares with the Violectric V100.

 

In contrast Taboo (mostly stock tubes: 2 x 6N1P and JJ 5U4; 1 x NOS Tung Sol 12AU7 driver) I found balanced and simply more dynamic. It seems to do bass just as well as Lyr, mids - with these tube-sets - were less romantic and portrayed harmonics more clearly (e.g. decay of piano and cello), and highs were extended and detailed. The overall impression is that everything is vivid (by which I mean dynamic) yet balanced.

 

More forward? No, because it seems balanced.

 

Laid back? No, because of the dynamics.

 

Neutral? Yes, I'd have to say the configuration above tends markedly to neutral. Obviously though there are tube choices e.g. Mullard 12AT7 as driver which sound warmer.

 

Brighter? Well, it does highs so well one might think so, yet I just wrote it's basically neutral..."not dark" would be the better descriptor.

 

Softer? No, it seems to have better speed and attack than Lyr so softer is not a word I would use.

 

VCAPs? Yes.

 

BTW, I recently 'upgraded' the rectifier to a NOS Tung Sol 5Y3GT. This changes the voltage points and theoretically should lead to a less analytical, more lush sound. Actually, with good source material I found it sounded astonishingly "live" and "immediate". With other material not so much.

 

The one respect in which Taboo is bettered across all my amps is attack. The Concerto is hard to beat here, but it does this by being a little dry - i.e. harmonics decay quickly. Terrific when I'm in the mood for analytical and detailed.

 

These are my impressions FWIW. YMMV etc. I strongly urge you to audition this and your other options if you can.

 

If there's one thing for sure, it's that we all have different ears with different brain decoding!

popcorn.gif  Great Stuff! Thanks for sharing...

post #4926 of 7757
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Originally Posted by AiDee View Post

 

These are my impressions FWIW. YMMV etc. I strongly urge you to audition this and your other options if you can.

 

If there's one thing for sure, it's that we all have different ears with different brain decoding!

Well written, concise and to the point... very helpful wink_face.gif  Too bad there is no way to hear one as they only sell direct triportsad.gif

 

Much thanks AiDee beerchug.gif

post #4927 of 7757
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Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post

Yeah it's mucho dinero and would rather not go there.  Which amp would you recommend that will max out the LCD-2's performance without laying down big money?

 

How about a 2-channel Beta?  A commissioned one from a reputable builder would be around $1,300-1,400 depending on "options" chosen.  If you wait long enough, a good one will show up on classifieds.  But before you put money into a SS amp of that sort, best to wait for more Mjolnir reviews.  Mjolnir has a demo period if I'm not mistaken.  

post #4928 of 7757

Glad I could help vinyl addict; well, sort of...it's too bad we can only imperfectly describe listening information.

 

And yes it's a shame Decware amps are only made to order - and have a 12-16 week waiting list eek.gif

 

You might find the Decware forums at the Decware website - owners discuss experiences and problems there - helpful in pinning down further aspects of their sound and performance.

 

Must admit I'm watching Mjolnir (15 day right of return IIRC) with interest, as I like to have both tube and SS options covered.

 

That said, Meier's current Classic amp - not the Concerto I mentioned yesterday - may be all I need. It has had very little attention on head-fi. Yet it's neutral, capable and completely without the dryness of the Concerto.

post #4929 of 7757
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Originally Posted by AiDee View Post

And yes it's a shame Decware amps are only made to order - and have a 12-16 week waiting list eek.gif

 

Must admit I'm watching Mjolnir (15 day right of return IIRC) with interest, as I like to have both tube and SS options covered.

 

That said, Meier's current Classic amp - not the Concerto I mentioned yesterday - may be all I need. It has had very little attention on head-fi. Yet it's neutral, capable and completely without the dryness of the Concerto.


All the best with your next purchase smile_phones.gif  Keep us posted!

 

Decware is most appealing because of the lifetime warranty which is unheard of in the audio industry.

post #4930 of 7757

I was pondering about adding a Matrix M-Stage Headphone amp in a couple of weeks. Anybody have any any experience with it for the LCD-2?

 

It had a glowing review in 2010 on this forum. Will I notice any improvement over my Asus Xonar Essence ST?

post #4931 of 7757

I have an LCD2 on the way. You know it is hard to read 329 pages to ask only one question.

 

So here is mine;

 

Is it harmful to LCD2 to use it with integrated amplifier?

 

I am using my HE500 with my Primaluna Prologue Two (2x40W tube amp) from speaker outputs with HE Adapter. Thinking about to use LCD2 like HE500 as well.

 

Any thoughts?

post #4932 of 7757
I didnt have problem going from power amp.
Just be careful with the volume knob!
post #4933 of 7757

Since you're using the HE adapter it will be fine. Did you get it with a balanced cable? I've run the LCD-2 straight off the speaker taps of numerous amps and in that scenario noise is a big problem but the resistors in the HE adapter should take care of that problem.

 

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Originally Posted by hasanyuceer View Post

I have an LCD2 on the way. You know it is hard to read 329 pages to ask only one question.

 

So here is mine;

 

Is it harmful to LCD2 to use it with integrated amplifier?

 

I am using my HE500 with my Primaluna Prologue Two (2x40W tube amp) from speaker outputs with HE Adapter. Thinking about to use LCD2 like HE500 as well.

 

Any thoughts?

post #4934 of 7757

I dont have noise while listening to HE500. I hope it wouldnt with LCD2.

 

I didnt get the balanced cable, because I will upgrade its cable anyway. I am experienced with this situation as using HE500 with the speaker amp. smile.gif

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Originally Posted by kstaken View Post

Since you're using the HE adapter it will be fine. Did you get it with a balanced cable? I've run the LCD-2 straight off the speaker taps of numerous amps and in that scenario noise is a big problem but the resistors in the HE adapter should take care of that problem.

 

 

I will, thanks!

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Originally Posted by perrew View Post

I didnt have problem going from power amp.
Just be careful with the volume knob!
post #4935 of 7757

From what I can gather, the Lyr from Schiit is a good choice, but is there anything similar, but at a lower price point?

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