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post #4906 of 7690

GG

 

Different from the usual recommendations, I am finding the Triad L3/LLP to be quite a stunning amp to use with the LCD-2..............

 

I have been listening to this combination for a while and, it betters the Violectric V200 by quite a fair margin, having said that it is, as an amp/power supply more expensive than the V200. In your circumstances, you could buy the L3 first and add the LLP at a later stage. My L3/LLP is sourced by a V800 Dac. 

 

I should add the L3 is stunning with your es5 too....

 

Have a friend who just bought the L3 for the es5 and loves the pairing..............


Edited by spkrs01 - 8/8/12 at 8:43pm
post #4907 of 7690

That is extremely surprising, given that V200 is so highly praised, while the L3 is a portable amp... I'm not too sure if I'm up for dropping $800 on a portable amp until more comparison/reviews pop up to rid of my doubts... If only there was a loaner program for it...

 

What exactly is the LLP? A power supply unit? You mentioned specifically that I could add the LLP at a later stage. Are you suggesting the LLP is a costly addition?

 

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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

GG

 

Different from the usual recommendations, I am finding the Triad L3/LLP to be quite a stunning amp to use with the LCD-2..............

 

I have been listening to this combination for a while and, it betters the Violectric V200 by quite a fair margin, having said that it is, as an amp/power supply more expensive than the V200. In your circumstances, you could buy the L3 first and add the LLP at a later stage. My L3/LLP is sourced by a V800 Dac. 

 

I should add the L3 is stunning with your es5 too....

 

Have a friend who just bought the L3 for the es5 and loves the pairing..............

post #4908 of 7690

You could, and should, get the Mjolnir.

post #4909 of 7690
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

That is extremely surprising, given that V200 is so highly praised, while the L3 is a portable amp... I'm not too sure if I'm up for dropping $800 on a portable amp until more comparison/reviews pop up to rid of my doubts... If only there was a loaner program for it...

 

What exactly is the LLP? A power supply unit? You mentioned specifically that I could add the LLP at a later stage. Are you suggesting the LLP is a costly addition?

 

The LLP is a power supply.............it is $325 on top but when you whack it up to supply 30V.....oh man!!!

 

I think nearly every review you have read of the L3 is with it running off batteries. Off batteries, you are only achieving 70% of it's potential and even then it is not so bad and to my ears betters all other portable amps anyway. I have not listened to the RX Mk3 yet. But with a dedicated power supply, it is altogether another animal. 

post #4910 of 7690
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

I've got a GS-X coming in next week

 

Sweet, that will add some versatility to your system, not to mention a fine SS headamp.

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Originally Posted by DarknightDK View Post

You could, and should, get the Mjolnir.

 

+1

post #4911 of 7690
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

I've got a GS-X coming in next week...

 

The old GS-X?  Must be at a good price.  Because the new GS-X is the same price as the old GS-X for now.

post #4912 of 7690

1000

 

Looks tiny, but it really is great with the LCD-2 and the HE-500, not mentioning IEMs............ksc75smile.gifL3000.gif

post #4913 of 7690
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

 

Sweet, that will add some versatility to your system, not to mention a fine SS headamp.

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Thanks Vince. smile.gif

post #4914 of 7690
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Originally Posted by Girls Generation View Post

That is extremely surprising, given that V200 is so highly praised, while the L3 is a portable amp... I'm not too sure if I'm up for dropping $800 on a portable amp until more comparison/reviews pop up to rid of my doubts... If only there was a loaner program for it...

 

What exactly is the LLP? A power supply unit? You mentioned specifically that I could add the LLP at a later stage. Are you suggesting the LLP is a costly addition?

 

Have you thought about a good power amp?  I just picked up a sub-$500 Nelson Pass clone from a trusted DIY/head-fi member for the K1Ks, but I plan to use it for the LCD-2s as well.  Going this route has a couple of things going for it:

 

  • <$500 most of the time.
  • Class A
  • Enough wattage
  • Pass design (requires some effort to wait and spring on a well-built model)

 

I'm on vacation at the moment, so I still have yet to hear this thing, but I'm excited to get home on Tuesday to try.  

post #4915 of 7690
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post #4916 of 7690

I'm thinking about upgrading to a better amp for my LCD-2 Rev.2. and currently using the Lyr.  I'm looking to get the most out of the LCD-2

but don't want to spend more than I have to... (who does?).

 

Factoring in the law of diminishing returns, how much will these amps improve on the Lyr and will the LCD-2's full potential be realized?

 

Please give me a general %(**) of how much of an improvement there will be...an absurd assumption, I know!(**) blink.gif

or at least try to explain if it's a worthwhile upgrade $$$ wise.

 

- Apex Peak/Volcano  $2100

- Cavalli Liquid Fire  $3300 (approx)

- Woo Audio WA5-LE  $2500

 

If there are less expensive amps that will perform close to those listed, I wanna know about them wink_face.gif

 

I'll give you a headphone related example.  I went from an AKG K702 to an LCD-2.  Although the LCD-2 costs 4 times as much,

I felt that the price difference was warranted due to the extraordinary sound and musical pleasure it gave me.

Percentage wise, I would say it was a 35-40%(**) improvement which is huge.

 

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post #4917 of 7690
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Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post

I'm thinking about upgrading to a better amp for my LCD-2 Rev.2. and currently using the Lyr.  I'm looking to get the most out of the LCD-2

but don't want to spend more than I have to... (who does?).

 

Factoring in the law of diminishing returns, how much will these amps improve on the Lyr and will the LCD-2's full potential be realized?

 

Please give me a general %(**) of how much of an improvement there will be...an absurd assumption, I know!(**) blink.gif

or at least try to explain if it's a worthwhile upgrade $$$ wise.

 

- Apex Peak/Volcano  $2100

- Cavalli Liquid Fire  $3300 (approx)

- Woo Audio WA5-LE  $2500

 

If there are less expensive amps that will perform close to those listed, I wanna know about them wink_face.gif

 

I'll give you a headphone related example.  I went from an AKG K702 to an LCD-2.  Although the LCD-2 costs 4 times as much,

I felt that the price difference was warranted due to the extraordinary sound and musical pleasure it gave me.

Percentage wise, I would say it was a 35-40%(**) improvement which is huge.

 

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Another combo would be the Decware CSP2+ Preamp and Taboo amp. Same price range and good reports for driving the LCD-2. www.decware.com

post #4918 of 7690
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Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post

I'm thinking about upgrading to a better amp for my LCD-2 Rev.2. and currently using the Lyr.  I'm looking to get the most out of the LCD-2

but don't want to spend more than I have to... (who does?).

 

Factoring in the law of diminishing returns, how much will these amps improve on the Lyr and will the LCD-2's full potential be realized?

 

Please give me a general %(**) of how much of an improvement there will be...an absurd assumption, I know!(**) blink.gif

or at least try to explain if it's a worthwhile upgrade $$$ wise.

 

- Apex Peak/Volcano  $2100

- Cavalli Liquid Fire  $3300 (approx)

- Woo Audio WA5-LE  $2500

 

If there are less expensive amps that will perform close to those listed, I wanna know about them wink_face.gif

 

I'll give you a headphone related example.  I went from an AKG K702 to an LCD-2.  Although the LCD-2 costs 4 times as much,

I felt that the price difference was warranted due to the extraordinary sound and musical pleasure it gave me.

Percentage wise, I would say it was a 35-40%(**) improvement which is huge.

 

popcorn.gif

 

Most people will tell you to get a high end DAC first if you're going for amps in the $2k+ range.

 

Then some will tell you the Apex combo will give you better price / performance ratio.

 

Then some will argue against this.

 

YMMV really, and you will probably have to research a heck of a lot in comparisons to try to even have an iota of a clue to which will cater to your sound preference, unless you're located in a head-fi-user-dense city and can attend meets to hear them for yourself.

 

I'm still doing my research, but just waiting for the Mjolnir reviews, so I can't help you out.

post #4919 of 7690
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Originally Posted by vinyl addict View Post
 

 

Part of what makes these kinds of purchase decisions even more complicated, is that your headphone of choice might not be the one that gets you the most out for your money.  There are other permutations w/ other headphones that might get you farther for your preferences w/ the same amount of dollars.  So it really comes down to identifying what you want and what gives you "extraordinary sound and musical pleasure."  

 

It's not an easy thing to figure out if you haven't heard many headphones or much ancillary gear, b/c most descriptors used here will sound like abstract ideas until you hear them for yourself.  It's kind of a catch-22 thing.  You can only buy what you want if you know what you want, but you won't know what you want until you buy what you...in many cases...don't want.

 

Apologies if I'm steering the conversation away from the LCD-2, but $2-3K is a lot of money to invest in this headphone IMO.

 

And...sorry about your wallet.


Edited by sphinxvc - 8/13/12 at 12:44pm
post #4920 of 7690

Hi vinyl addict. I second the Taboo recommendation even without the CSP2+ preamp. ATM I run my Taboo straight from my DAC. Taboo was originally designed as a 6W (8-ohm) speaker amp. FWIW it puts a little over 2W into an LCD2.

 

I can't compare it to the other amps you listed as possibles. But compared to the Meier Concerto and Classic, Violectric V100 and Schiit Lyr amps I own the improvement in resolution, dynamics and microdynamics and 'musical enjoyment' is 'substantial'.

 

I agree it is absurd to quantify this one-dimensionally but FWIW '15% or more' - less than the upgrade I experienced moving from Grado RS1/Beyer T1 to LCD2 but substantial and significant because of detail and resolution I had not heard before.

 

GG has a point about the DAC. If my system has a bottle-neck, it would be the DAC, and I'm considering whether to 'upgrade' or not. 

 

For comparison, I have the Eastern Electric MiniMax (considered something of a giant-killer two or three years ago), Meier Stagedac and Schiit Bifrost. I prefer Bifrost and Stagedac with my LCD2, as the EE has an upper bass/lower mid leaning which is too much with the Audez'es.

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