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post #1681 of 7750

KingStyles, can you elaborate a little more on the BA and LiquidFire, what do they do right/wrong?

Tks P

 

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I can honestly say now that I can recommend the lcd2 with the BA. I didnt like the pairing at a previous meet, but I swapped the driver tube for one that I figured would pair with the lcd2 better and it seemed to be a success. Also the liquid fire for the price is a great amp to run the lcd2 if you want a nice powerful amp. The big surprise was how good the little monster, the schiit Lyr did with them. More than enough power to drive them. It just lost a little clarity and detail to the bigger amps.



 

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I can honestly say now that I can recommend the lcd2 with the BA. I didnt like the pairing at a previous meet, but I swapped the driver tube for one that I figured would pair with the lcd2 better and it seemed to be a success. Also the liquid fire for the price is a great amp to run the lcd2 if you want a nice powerful amp. The big surprise was how good the little monster, the schiit Lyr did with them. More than enough power to drive them. It just lost a little clarity and detail to the bigger amps.



I think you were in the room when the string of profanities came out of my mouth when listening to the Lyr and asking how much it cost.  Heh.  Agreed about the clarity, but man that thing can pump out bass.  Not the most control, but for that price you really can't complain.  And it didn't run as hot as I remember the Asgard running, though by the time I got to listen to it the volume knob was quite warm.


 

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KingStyles, can you elaborate a little more on the BA and LiquidFire, what do they do right/wrong?

Tks P
 



Can't speak for Josh, but in my listening and talking to people, the BA had great clarity, control, and spot on tones.  LF has a little less control and detail, though I think the weight in the lower areas felt very full and a touch towards the organic side, which is my preference.  I think Dan listened to both and had the opinion that neither amp really thumps like the Benchmark DAC1 Pre that curbfeeler has, but are more toward an even and detailed presentation, so it's a matter of taste.  Caveat to the impressions is that the LF is still a proto-type and we have no idea if rolling better tubes in will change things, and Josh has done some great research, testing, and financial investing into the tubes on the BA.

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I spent more time with the DACmini and LCD-2 and I can't imagine needing more than the stock gain of 8 with these LCD-2.  Normal listening for me is between 9-11 o'clock (via USB DAC), while 12 is fairly loud, 2-3 o'clock is uncomfortable, and 5 o'clock maxed is deafening/earsplitting with good impact with no clipping.  It definitely isn't running out of juice.  So, not only is frequency response and soundstage a good match for the LCD-2, but power is more than I can ever use.  I'm listening to LCD-2 right now with the volume at only 10 o'clock and I'm worried because my wife can hear my music across the room while she sleeps.

 

Even my 9v ALO Amphora has enough power for the LCD-2, but it's mids are a little recessed vs the DACmini, and so it doesn't help bring out detail in the LCD-2 mids which I think are a little recessed themselves - so the DACmini helps the LCD-2 mids in my opinion, as well as adding some of that missing sparkle in the highs that I complained about before.  It manages to do this in a more refined and less aggressive manner than my HDP which was also quite powerful with the LCD-2.

 

I wont say that an optional gain of 10 like yours wont be better for my HE-5 LE or 600 ohm AKG headphones, but you seemed to say previously that you preferred the DACmini with LCD-2 only after you had the gain increased to 10.  But I just don't need that much gain myself, because with the stock gain I can use the DACmini with LCD-2 and everything but HE-6, and all my IEM work well and have no channel imbalance at low volumes.  A gain of 10 would increase the noise floor, and right now I can barely hear any hiss with my ES3X which would be a bit noisier with a gain of 10.

 

I still don't have my balanced LCD-2 cable to try with my SR-71b and my 55-watt speaker amp.


Sorry for the slow response. I've been working 18 hour days lately & have had very little time to read/post. Too tired. Regarding the gain, I had the standard gain unit here at the same time with the higher gain unit, & I did feel that even the LCD-2 benefited from the extra juice, though I admit the extra power was mostly targeted at both my HE5LE & Beyer 880 600 ohm cans. What really surprised me what that all my IEMs still sounded just as good as with the stock unit. I was not expecting that.  I feel now that this unit can probably be a good match with the HE6, should I ever opt to buy one. Right now, I'm perfectly happy with what I have can-wise.

 

But back to the two DACminis & LCD-2, I went back an forth between them on the same songs for several days & I always felt that the extra juice the turned-up mini provided a little something extra to the mix over the stock unit.  I no longer have the stock unit, but I know I never maxed out the volume on either unit since I don't listen to my music very loud.  In fact the thing I love about the LCD-2 is that it allows me to listen to my favorite songs at normal listening volumes & not miss anything. I just love the combo of the DACmini & the LCD-2. IMHO, a great match.

 

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My Rudistor RP010B is proving to be a wonderful match for the Audezes the more I listen. The frequency response curve with the Rudistor is as good as it gets.

The Rudistor really improves the transparency of the LCD2s remarkably. I actually think the LCD2s may be the best of all my phones with the Rudistor.

I never thought I would say that I liked the LCD2s so much because of problematic results with other amps (a sort of honk or slow sound) but this amp-phone synergy is really fine.

While the other phones have some more detail and impact and speed in percussion and other transients, the impact is still quite nice on the LCD2s with the Rudistor

and the mids and highs are top notch--refined and not aggressive at all but still with lots of information, both tonal information and spatial.

Soundstaging with the RP010B is as spooky real as the Senn HD800s.

The LCD2s are really nice on older classic and 60s CDS that have piercing highs and shouty mids. The sound is refined and stop me from wincing.

But the solid state RP010B really keeps everything mostly controlled and naturally grounded on the LCD2s with most CDs.

On a few CDs, there is still a minor loss of control in the upper bass compared to the other phones, but it is rare enough and mild enough not to be a real problem,

and on SACDs there is total control.

The Rudistor really controls the LCD2s well in the mids, especially vocals and guitars, as the LCD2s had a woozy, annoying slowness with these (a mild tunnel-like sound)

with other amps. But the Rudistor miraculously cures this.

So, that my latest 2 cents. Thanks for reading.

 

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Sorry for the slow response. I've been working 18 hour days lately & have had very little time to read/post. Too tired. Regarding the gain, I had the standard gain unit here at the same time with the higher gain unit, & I did feel that even the LCD-2 benefited from the extra juice, though I admit the extra power was mostly targeted at both my HE5LE & Beyer 880 600 ohm cans. What really surprised me what that all my IEMs still sounded just as good as with the stock unit. I was not expecting that.  I feel now that this unit can probably be a good match with the HE6, should I ever opt to buy one. Right now, I'm perfectly happy with what I have can-wise.

 

But back to the two DACminis & LCD-2, I went back an forth between them on the same songs for several days & I always felt that the extra juice the turned-up mini provided a little something extra to the mix over the stock unit.  I no longer have the stock unit, but I know I never maxed out the volume on either unit since I don't listen to my music very loud.  In fact the thing I love about the LCD-2 is that it allows me to listen to my favorite songs at normal listening volumes & not miss anything. I just love the combo of the DACmini & the LCD-2. IMHO, a great match.

 


Since I got the DACmini I've listened to the LCD-2 more in the past 4 weeks than I did in the entire previous 6 months of owning the LCD-2 before the DACmini arrived.  That says something right there.  

 

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Centrance products are indeed, honest to goodness sonic triumphs in their own right.

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Sorry if it's been asked, HeadphoneAddict, but is your Dacmini a better match than your ZDT setup?

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Sorry if it's been asked, HeadphoneAddict, but is your Dacmini a better match than your ZDT setup?


My ZDT is what makes the LCD-2 sound darker to me than I like, even when using it with a brighter tube that didn't make the K1000 sound dark (Sylvania gold pin 5751).  It has huge power reserves with the LCD-2 and can play at night-club volume levels, but I just don't get the desired amount of air and ambience out of the ZDT with the LCD-2.  The ZDT is a better amp for my HD800, HE-5 LE, HE-5, HD600, HF-2 and LA7000 though - not to say that the DACmini is not very good with those as well, because it is, but it's a considerably cheaper amp and not on the same level.  

 

But for the LCD-2 I find the DACmini is a better match for sure, and my favorite in the house with them.  I'm also finding the HE-6 out of the ZDT sound a little too soft and smooth at times, while the DACmini wakes them up a bit and drives them a little tighter as well (like the SR-71b), even though it wont play quite as loud with them at max volume.  The DACmini is also slightly more forward sounding than the ZDT, with a slightly smaller soundstage, although it's pretty close to the Amphora or WA6 in the soundstage department which isn't bad for a sub $1000 amp.

 

My Amphora and WA6 come in second in synergy, but both are less powerful than the DACmini and leave me wishing for more, followed by my HDP which is very powerful with LCD-2 but a little on the aggressive side and not as transparent sounding.  Based on what I heard at RMAF, I think my SR-71b in balanced mode would do quite well with LCD-2, but out of the 1/8" jack it was disappointing.

 


Edited by HeadphoneAddict - 3/11/11 at 12:12am
post #1689 of 7750

Hey guys. I have read through about 90% of this thread but may have obviously missed a few points. I was curious if anyone has experience with any of the Ray Samuels' amps with the LCD-2? 

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I appreciate your detailed answer. Helps much.

 

Cheers!

post #1691 of 7750

Also, I have seen a few recommendations for the Woo2 OTL amp on here but not much in regards to the Woo22. Has anyone tried the combo of the 22 with the LCD-2? I like OTL designs but I am also a big fan of the 6SN7 tube family so I would welcome some insight. 

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Hey guys. I have read through about 90% of this thread but may have obviously missed a few points. I was curious if anyone has experience with any of the Ray Samuels' amps with the LCD-2? 

Oh, you must have missed all of those posts.  Well, they're their, I assure you.

 

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Just giving you a hard time....   Not much mention of Ray's stuff with the LCD-2s except for the SR-70B, which had nice things said about it.
 

 

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Also, I have seen a few recommendations for the Woo2 OTL amp on here but not much in regards to the Woo22. Has anyone tried the combo of the 22 with the LCD-2? I like OTL designs but I am also a big fan of the 6SN7 tube family so I would welcome some insight. 

 

I am using LCD-2 with Woo 22 (as well as several other people).  To my ears, the combo is awesome, some tubes roll better than others for this phone.
 

 


Edited by davo50 - 3/11/11 at 8:20pm
post #1694 of 7750

Larry, do you know if DACmini is also a pre-amp?  I see a Line-out port at the back, but nowhere it mentioned as a pre-amp.  Would the output from the Line-out can be adjusted by the volume control?

 

And the

Output Power

1.5W (total), drives 50...600 Ohm headphones.

I would say it's 750mWpc, don't you think?  onto what? 50 ohms?

 

I know you may not know these information, but who knows?  biggrin.gif

 

I'm looking a DAC with pre-amp builtin for LCD-2 and been lurking around finding more information about Eastern Electric Minimax.  You heard before Larry?

post #1695 of 7750

On the amp side, has anyone heard BCL and Burson HA160?  any comment?

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