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post #91 of 98

Yea right now they're getting raving reviews (which is common with most new top tier IEMs) but I could go check the impression/apprecation thread floating around here to get some in depth reading done. 

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Have you ever been on stage, or in a recording studio?

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Let's say that you are on a stage with a band, or in a recording studio, listening to tunes.  The band is playing, and you can move around as much as you want.  You will be hearing both tracks in both ears all of the time.  When you turn your head, the instruments and musicians stay in the same place.

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Next level down, you are hearing the final mix, maybe on two book shelf sized speakers, with a three way cross over, and sufficient amplification.  The woofer is putting out ten-inch sound waves, hitting your body all over.

 

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Next level down, you are listening with some high-end cans completely covering your ears.  This changes the music because it unnaturally separates both stereo tracks.  When you turn your head, the whole band moves around to stay in front of you, strange.  This is not how you would have heard it on the stage, or in the recording studio.  You are not reproducing that sound.

 

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Next, high end custom in-ear-monitors.  Which is currently the ideal way to hear portable sound on the go.  But by no means the ideal way to reproduce music.  This is, all about listening to music isn’t it?


Edited by Sumflow - 6/14/10 at 7:13pm
post #93 of 98

Doesn't Beyerdynamic have that um.... whole sound system that accounts for moving your head and the placement of music? 

post #94 of 98

How would it account for the next song starting and your head position moving all the time? Would silence reset it to the "in front" mode?

post #95 of 98

umm that live show/studio comment still deosnt make sense,.... you simply cannot compare live music to music reproduced on any set up no matter how high end or stupidly expensive.

 

at the same time, you cant compare live music with you infront of the band to live music piped out of a PA system because live stage shows are almost always piped out through mono systems for the same reason clubs use mono systems,....so that everyone everywhere hears the same thing. to fully appreciate a stereo system you'd have to be in the sweet spot, making a stereo live system or club system pretty dumb.

 

not that i'm a PA expert but there is a sortofstereo technique which has more to do with volume than actual true stereo for live events. there is an exception where if the audience is situated in a central position then sure, stereo systems will be better.

 

I never go to a live show with a PA system to appreciate the sound quality, i go to watch a performance. 

 

As for recording studios they also rely on the sweet spot. so turning your head, tipping it forward or back changes what you hear. so studios also dont reproduce the sound of a live show,.... they're not meant to do that anyway.

 

recordings of live shows,.... the mixer will normally pick one spot assigned and assign it to the listener he is mixing for. based on that position, the mixer then pans the mic recordings accordingly to reproduce the image one would have if one were to have been at the event,... without the PA getting in the way. 

 

headphones? yeah you lose the crossfeed, and you lose the impact of the music on your body, but then thats the price you pay for the portability and the convenience. 

 

IEM's can make up for the loss of that bass impact, perhaps only in your head but over time one grows to appreciate the feeling of being inside the music as opposed to just being presented with the music which is what speakers and cans do.

 

music reproduction is a compromise and always will be a compromise by definition.

 

post #96 of 98

^^I wasn't trying to bring that up as an alternative saying it was better or anything, just throwing that out there so people know about it; it's actually pretty good though. 

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umm that live show/studio comment still deosnt make sense,.... you simply cannot compare live music to music reproduced on any set up no matter how high end or stupidly expensive.

The reproduction will always be less than live.

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at the same time, you cant compare live music with you in front of the band to live music piped out of a PA system because live stage shows are almost always piped out through mono systems for the same reason clubs use mono systems,...

If you were walking around on the stage.  Each performer and his monitors might be mono.  But to you as a listener, the instruments would be coming from different locations.  You would not hear mono.

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so that everyone everywhere hears the same thing. to fully appreciate a stereo system you'd have to be in the sweet spot, making a stereo live system or club system pretty dumb.

I don't think everyone everywhere hears the same thing at a live show, or in a recording session.

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As for recording studios they also rely on the sweet spot. so turning your head, tipping it forward or back changes what you hear.

Yes exactly, in recording studios turning your head, tipping it, moving, changes what you hear.  This might also be true when someone tries to play it back as though it was coming from a recording studio.  The sound will change naturally as you move about.

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headphones? yeah you lose the crossfeed, and you lose the impact of the music on your body, but then that's the price you pay for the portability and the convenience.

We gain portability, at the loss of a few minor sonic items.  When someone jumps up and down and says these earphones, or headphones, or whatever have the greatest sounds that they ever heard.  Maybe they should take them out of, or off of there ears, and hear it without the built in sonic losses caused by the devices limitations.

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IEM's can make up for the loss of that bass impact, perhaps only in your head but over time one grows to appreciate the feeling of being inside the music as opposed to just being presented with the music which is what speakers and cans do.

 

music reproduction is a compromise and always will be a compromise by definition.

It would be up to the listener, being bombarded by sound waves, if they felt they were inside the music, or the music was in them.  The point, and I think you will agree, that the further away from the source that we get, the more degradation in sound we may have to accept.  IEM’s trade sonic perfectness for easier portability.

post #98 of 98
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 The point, and I think you will agree, that the further away from the source that we get, the more degradation in sound we may have to accept. 


agreed, but i wouldnt say "may" i would say "absolutely must accept".

 

nothing comes close to being in a good sounding room, with a talented musician playing an exquisite instrument infront of you with no signal chain other than the air between the two of you.

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