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post #121 of 242
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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post

To me it is not practical. Have not found any DBT booths at the local Hi-Fi shops. DBT has never been important to me with my gear.


It's not practical because it's not important? Or it's not practical because Hi-Fi shops wouldn't dare cut into their profit margins by convincing shoppers that their own high-end wares are snake oil? Or what?

 

Why is it not practical?

post #122 of 242

It has nothing to do with cutting into profit. Walmart doesn't use DBT's to sell their electronics and they're the cheapest retailer. I guess ignorance is bliss? If I want to purchase something I purchase it. Do not need a DBT to justify the purchase. Yes I have done my homework and auditioning when ever possible. It is funny if someone does not understand something in this hobby it is labeled "snake oil". If DBT's were practical they would by mass marketed and readily available with a retail network? Until then..............

post #123 of 242

Question, if cables make a difference then why is it that the wiring inside amplifiers and DACs thin and appears to be nothing special? Wouldn't that be a bottleneck?

post #124 of 242

That depends on the manufacturer

post #125 of 242

They're all about the same from what I've seen. The wire from the RCA to the circuit board is really thin, for example this one

 

http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/dac/DAC19/DAC19D2.jpg

 

You could have the most expensive cable going into the RCA input but the signal still travels through a cable of arguable quality that is connecting the RCA jacks to the circuit board.


Edited by kite7 - 6/28/10 at 12:06am
post #126 of 242

Thankfully I didn't get one of those. Lets get back to the Senn cables please.

post #127 of 242

The Audio-GD DAC19 does seem to a DAC that is liked here in this forum. You'd be surprised how many DACs and amplifiers have thin cabling inside, yet I don't see much discussion about recabling those

 

sp70, for $16 you're not losing much by trying out a cable. I personally didn't notice any differences with the stock cable vs HD650 one

post #128 of 242
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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post

It has nothing to do with cutting into profit. Walmart doesn't use DBT's to sell their electronics and they're the cheapest retailer. I guess ignorance is bliss? If I want to purchase something I purchase it. Do not need a DBT to justify the purchase. Yes I have done my homework and auditioning when ever possible. It is funny if someone does not understand something in this hobby it is labeled "snake oil". If DBT's were practical they would by mass marketed and readily available with a retail network? Until then..............


To which electronics do you refer? Some electronics, like TVs, are set up right next to one another, so poor sensory memory doesn't apply as much and a DBT is unnecessary to form an unbiased preference. Some electronics, like cell phones, are entirely about user satisfaction, and differ in what they can and cannot do so will be preferred by certain people. Some electronics, like computers, have measured specifications which are displayed and can be used to judge performance.

 

Cables (and other audio equipment) require switching so memory is an issue. They all do the same thing, so special needs are nonexistent. They have no published specs except those like capacitance which may or may not have any bearing on audible sound, unlike computer specs which tell relatively how well it performs at what it's supposed to do.

 

Name an electronics product (barring audio equipment of course!) which is sold at Wal-Mart that you believe needs to be blind-tested to be fair.

post #129 of 242

Isn't this hobby about user satisfaction? Point being with DBT and retailers, until the mass market accepts DBT's as the norm you will never see them in the mainstream. People who prefer DBT's is such a niche market, it hasn't been sustainable at any means this point in time. Not saying sometime in the future it may have its place. With Senn cables it is not that complicated. You buy one and like it, you keep it. You don't, take it back just like anything else you buy. What is so hard about that? Really?

post #130 of 242
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Originally Posted by BIG POPPA View Post

Isn't this hobby about user satisfaction? Point being with DBT and retailers, until the mass market accepts DBT's as the norm you will never see them in the mainstream. People who prefer DBT's is such a niche market, it hasn't been sustainable at any means this point in time. Not saying sometime in the future it may have its place. With Senn cables it is not that complicated. You buy one and like it, you keep it. You don't, take it back just like anything else you buy. What is so hard about that? Really?


You didn't answer my question.

 

People who buy after-market cables are a niche market too, but it's well supplied. Why? Because there's tons of profit in it. No profit in proper DBTs because they do nothing but lay sound quality bare with no influence from the price tag. It's not good for a business if your $10,000 speakers lose in a DBT to $2,000 ones. Same with cables. Manufacturers and resellers are afraid a store- or meet-based DBT will shatter the illusion before it reveals value.

 

What is so hard about proving that the differences you hear are real? Really? Because you guys do nothing but dance around that issue. Satisfaction relies on the illusion being maintained. If I buy an expensive cable and like it, then it's revealed that it makes no real difference, I'm not going to be happy anymore. I'd rather be sure before I buy. Like I've said before in another thread, why would I buy an expensive vacuum which is "claimed" to be vastly superior to other brands even though no proof is given, just because I might like it? Who spends $200 on a product because they might like it?

post #131 of 242

You are talking to someone who makes his own Senn cables and goes many Head-fi meets a year. Create a conspirecy all you want. It is not really like that in the real world. There are reputable cable makers as well as thieves. But isn't EVERYTHING ELSE like that too? I can name some Headphone amp makers off the top of my head. If you can't handle an aftermarket Senn cable don't buy one. Nobody is physically twisting your arm.

post #132 of 242

200 hundy is nothing to spend on something to try out. I spend a whole lot more on my wife hoping she likes what I have bought her.

post #133 of 242
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200 hundy is nothing to spend on something to try out. I spend a whole lot more on my wife hoping she likes what I have bought her.


+1 ......

post #134 of 242

I had a Kimber PBJ custom cable made for my HD650's (and I have a Markl Adrenaline on the way for the 800's) and I bought a "Y" headphone splitter and compared the two cables (Stock vs kimber), AT THE SAME TIME one side on one cable, the other side on the other cable then switched them, and trust me THERE IS A DIFFERENCE! And about the HD600's, I don't care what anyone says, the HD650's IMO didn't "replace" the HD600's I think they are Equal, just different. It depends what you are looking for. I plan on buying the HD600's asap, but I've got some things in the way.....

post #135 of 242
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Thankfully I didn't get one of those. Lets get back to the Senn cables please.

 

you better toss out your "crappy" woo audio 3+ too then. lmfao look at the cheap thin wiring esp. at the rca connectors.  Seriously though, this guy's argument always ends up being how experienced he is going to his little meets and how great his setup/hearing is so he can hear the difference between cables.

 

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Edited by bridge8989 - 6/28/10 at 3:38am
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