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AUNE Headphone amp + DAC Review

post #1 of 21
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This is a review for a beautiful chinese made amp - the AUNE headphone amp with a built in DAC.

 

Cost - This amp costs $140 on ebay. Please keep that in mind

Specs - This amp is supposed to have the following:

 

Burr Brown 1793 DAC

Burr Brown 2134 amp stage (I'm not very sure about this - it's definitely a Burr Brown though)

ALPS Blue Pot

 

What I like about the amp-

 

Built well. The whole thing feels solid. It has a nice feel to it as well.

 

The amp is SUPER quiet. There is absolutely no hiss when I am using this amp with either the Sony V6 or the Beyer DT880 600ohms. In comparison a lot of fancier more expensive amps tend to have a hiss. Even when I turn the volume all the way up I cannot hear any hiss.

 

Lots of input options -

 

1. The amp can be directly connected to a CD player.

2. It also has a pre-out which allows you to hook it upto another amp if needed

3. It has a coax input and a USB input as well

 

What I did not like about the amp -

 

The RCA connectors in the back feel a bit cheap. This is just a quible cause at $140 you can't expect them to use 100$ connectors.

 

Before I get into the sound - you have to understand that equipment like this is built to a price. When you do that you have to choices. Make an error or omission or an error or an error of commision. An error of omission is when the designer does not act smart and understands that there will be limitations in terms of the sound. Example - a speaker designer making a small bookshelf understands that at a price one can only purchase drivers and a cabinet of say quality X. Hence he rather make a bookshelf that has a beautiful high and mid range while he would roll of the bass. This is an error of omission. An error of commision is when the designer tries and makes the speaker do too much. What you end up with is a speaker that tried to reproduce the entire spectrum but ends up have a bloated loose bass and piercing highs. I rather have a desginer use the error of omission approach when I'm buying budget equipment.

 

The sound -

 

Equipment used - Beyerdynamic DT880, AUNE headphone amp, Sim Audio Equinox SE

Tracks - David Roth, Sarah Brightman, Mary Black, Zac Brown band live

 

In general - The amp has a very controlled sound. It sounds very flat. I can't feel it emphasizing any particular frequency spectrum as such. If I had to describe this amp in one word I would sum it up as superb control.

 

Treble - The amp is smooth and controlled here. It is a litle grainy but then again a this price I should not be nit picking. It is not harsh at all and is VERY listenable. It seems a bit rolled off but then again that probably is why it has so much control. Don't expect this amp to extend all the way up when Sarah Brightman goes for one of her high notes. The amp will make it sound as if Brightman is controlling and holding back her voice rather than just letting it extend without any restrain. Once again I would presume that this is a design limitation due to the price and I rather have Sraha Brightman under control than a Sarah Brightman who keeps yelling at me!

 

Mid Range - This is again ery similar to the treble. I wish it had more resolution. It is very clean (has a little grain but very clean at the price). It isn't laid back as some cheaper amps. Vocals have a lot of body without becoming chesty and heavy. I just wish that they were more open with more resolution which would make it a lot more musical. Don't get me wrong - Im not saying the mid range is bad. Im just saying that it is a little too controlled kudos to the designer for achieving a good amount of body in the sound. The vocals never sound imbalanced i.e. a male vocals sound like they are coming from a barrel or excessively lean.

 

Bass - Once again control - the bass does not extend as much as more expensive amps but whatever is there is very full bodied and controlled. It will not boom at all nor will you find the amp lacking in bass. It just won't extend as much as more costlier designs. It will hit you with a fist but that is at whatever frequencies it is capable of reproducing. The bass is not in excess at all. It is perfectly balanced with the mids and highs.

 

Whenever someone reviews an amp I always look for resolution, transparency, extension at extremes and speed or timing. However most reviewers do not cover these important points (Skylab it would be good if you covered these parameters as well since you review a lot of equipment). This is what differentiates expensive equipment from cheaper equipment. This is also an acquired skill which is why your friend who listens to his ipod cannot understand why you spent $1000 on a HD800. Also as we get more sensitized we get used to what we hear which is why everyone here has a tendency to uprade their equipment so often. The HD800 will not sound the same as it did when you first bought it because you get used to the sound.

 

Resolution - This is the ability of the amp to uncover detail within detail. It is like that hidden guitar pluck that you never knew existed. It is the different layers in Sarah Brightman vocals as she extends her voice. It is the vibrations and reflections that different instruments generate. If an amp lacks resolution it will make music sound one notish. That is all the highs will sound like they are being generated around a particular note and so on. This is what according to me gives a component its character.

 

When you hit a piano key you generate the freq desired but you also generate a lot of overtones. Thisis why 600HZ on a Piano sounds different from say 600HZ on a violin. The better the resolution the more natural and musical an instrument sounds.

 

I found that the HD800 had a scary amount of resolution in the highs and lows but lacked the same a bit in the mids, which is why I sold them. Coming back to this amp. DO NOT expect this to be a resolution monster. The amp is very controlled and while it does try and convey some amount of detail it is not going to show you the finer nuances of the recording. You are not going to hear the reverbations in the singers voice as clearly separated as a more expensive amp. Don't get me wrong - most cheap amps sound very one notish and the AUNE does a good job of trying to reveal detail but this is it's greatest weakness. It simply does not have enough resolution to make it go that extra mile and beat costlier designs. In comparison headrooms micro amp ($399) offers a lot more resolution in the mids and bass region.

 

Transparency - this is like looking out of a window. If there isn't any glass you can see clearly. As we add a glass sheet to the pane it taks away something from our view. As we add dust to the glass it further obscures the view. Transparency in sound is the same principle. One of the reasons why live sounds live is because there is nothing between you and the singer!

 

This is where the AUNE does a very good job. I can't find anything to really crib about at this price. You can hear clearly without instruments sounding muddied together. Everything is spaced out well and separated from each other. There is a good sense of space between instruments and voices as well. Very good job here AUNE, kudos.

 

Extension - As said before the AUNE is limited in extension in the highs and the lows. Then again I rather have it not try and generate the freq rather than mess it up. I just wish it had more resolution and extended a bit more at both the extremes.

 

Speed - This is the ability of the component to time correctly. Whenever a singer sings or plays an instrument it is done in conjunction with a count. The count is what we call beats per minute. We tend to do this naturally without realising it. When people start clapping in concert with what a singer is singing, one will notice that the claps automatically follow a certain timing. We have a natural ability to do that and when a component reproduces that it is called real freaking music.

 

The AUNE is a bit slow here. This could be a function of that control that I have been ranting about. It isn't lead trodden but I do feel it tends to lag down a very little bit. It doesn't flow as freely as I would have liked it to.

 

The internal DAC - The internal DAC is pretty musical. It isn't as cleanly separated as my Sim Audio but then again the Sim costs 20 times the price of the entire unit! If I had to find one area where the AUNE really shines it is the DAC section. It is very clean, has a decent amount of resolution (i.e. does not sound one notish at all). It does tend to club things closer than the Sim does but then again you can't expect eveything at this price.

 

If I had to sum up the internal DAC I would say it tends to stick out a bit in the upper mid range (think trumpets). This is its main character and it wil emphasize this a bit.

 

Soundstage - I don't think headphones generate a real soundstage. They tend to separate instruments around your head but I don't think I would talk of this phenomen like a soundstage that one gets from speakers. The AUNE when connected to my Sim did a fantastic job of keeping everything separated - like I said it is very controlled. However when you use the internal DAC things sound slightly closer to the center. You can call this the soundstage if you like but this is just my opinion.

 

Burn in - out of the box it will sound a bit too controlled - run it in for about 50hrs atleast  and it will open up a bit. My experience regarding burn in - I don't believe in burning any component continuously for say 100 hrs or so. You need to run it for sometime and then give it a break. This allows the components to return to the original stage. The capacitors need to charge AND discharge a bit before they are able to hold their optimum charge. The voice coils of a headphone need to heat up, expand a bit and then cool down before they can truly be considered run in. If you run a headphone in for say 100 hrs continuously you are heating up the voice coils way to much. Once again this is just my opinion - I prefer to run an equipment for 5-6 hrs and give it a break for 2-3 hrs and then continue again.

 

To sum it up - This is a terrific amp for $140. I just wish that they had two versions - a budget one and a higher end one which added extension, resoltuion and let loose a bit of that control that the amp exhibits so much. I would gladly pay $250 for this amp if it improved in those areas. I suspect that the biggest culprit is the PCB which looks like a cheap PCB. That could be followed by the power stage as it uses an external wal wart. Whenever an amp is power starved it will begin to control the sound or will begint o clip. I think these two factors (PCB and power stage) is what is holding this beast back. If the AUNE designer is reading this please try using a higher quality PCB, RCA inputs, selector switches and build a bigger power stage. You have come so close, yet you are a bit far...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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post #2 of 21

Thank you for the review, you can add a better PSU and roll opamps to get a better sound there's a thread about it here http://rockgrotto.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=b&action=display&thread=4616

post #3 of 21

Great review.

 

The opamps in the Aune are OPA2134 at the filter stage, and OPA2604 at the head amp stage. Both are socketed for easy replacement and upgrading.

post #4 of 21
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Any idea if we can fit in the Burr Bron 627 opamp? Also do we require the adapter socket for the Burr Brown 627 and if yes which one?

This is a great little amp! I am surprised that it drives the Beyers so well.

post #5 of 21

Yep, there's plenty of room for a pair of OPA627 in either socket. And you will indeed require an adapter. BrownDog (Cimarron Technology) makes them. p/n 020302 if you have the smaller SOIC chips, or p/n 021001 for the regular DIP8 chips.

 

You can also find equivalent adapters on eBay. Just make sure they package it with a hard foam padding to protect the pins. Mine got all bent out of shape the last time because the padding was too squishy. The mailman must have sat on the envelope or something. Also, beware of fake OPA627s.

 

I'd be very interested to hear your take on the Aune after upgrading it with Burr Brown 627.

post #6 of 21
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Im thinking of getting the same. So basically I would need 2 adapters + 4 burr brown 627 chips if I am to replace the 2604 amp stage right? Does the circuit have enough power tofeed the 627's or will the chips be starved of power? Also do I need to change any settings or is it just plug and play? Also what do you recommend be done for the 2134 buffer stage and how many chips are used in the buffer stage?

 

Thanks again!

post #7 of 21

For replacing the 2604 alone, you'll need just two 627 chips and one adapter. There is definitely enough power for that. You could get another two 627 chips and replace the 2134 as well, but I don't have the expertise to know if the power will be enough. I'm actually pretty new to this, and most of what I know on this has been gleaned from reading stuff online. My uninformed opinion is go for it! And get a better power supply unit if the juice isn't enough. Or better yet, get a linear regulated power supply. You'll get your wish of spending $250 for a high end Aune. :)

 

My current opamp setup in the Aune is LT1358 in the buffer section, and LM4562 in the head amp section. I listen to a lot of music where the bass can get a bit crazy. And I have closed headphones with lots of bass. So I find that this combination helps to keep the lows tight so that they don't overpower the rest of the sound.

 

I've been contemplating getting the Burr Brown 627 too, so that's why I'm interested in your take on it, especially given the depth of your initial review. I've read some nice comments about the 627, and also some saying it's overrated. But I suspect some in the latter group have simply fallen victim to the eBay fakes.

post #8 of 21

I realize my last post probably wasn't that helpful. If you haven't already done this, you should probably read some of the other threads on the Aune for more info:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/407756/hifidiy-s-mini-usb-dac-mk2-also-a-headphone-amp

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/438473/info-on-the-aune-usb-dac-amp

 

And also the rockgrotto one that burgunder mentioned.

 

Lots of op-amps mentioned in those threads. Someone said OPA2111 in the filter position goes well with OPA627 in the head amp position. So that may answer your question.

 

But the headphones play a big role in whether the op-amps work well or not. For example, many people have had great results with dual AD744 in the head amp position. (With the OB mod. See rockgrotto for details.) But in my case, this produced way too much bass. The lows were tight and not muddy, but were also far too loud on my ATH-M50. But I can imagine it sounds very nice with open cans. Conversely, the LT1358+LM4562 combo I use now does not go well at all with my bass-light hifiman RE0. Part of the fun is in experimenting with the different op-amps.

 

I've placed my order for the Burr Brown OP627 from Newark. Will take a while to reach me because I also have some other things on backorder. Still interested in hearing your impressions of it.

post #9 of 21
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Thanks for all the inputs. I did try the AD797 and the BB627 on Brown dog adapters. Here are my views:

 

1. If you want to get the best performance from the Aune for your money do the following:

Remove the 2604 opamp from the amp section. I do not like this opamp at all.

Remove the 2134 opamp from the dac stage and place it in the amp stage

Change the power supply to a 18V 1.5A Elpac power adapter

 

I used my Simaudio CD player as the source and got very good results with this combo. The Sim also uses BB2134 opamps in its output stage which is why it worked so well.

 

2. However the bug in me wanted to try out different opamps as well. So I ordered the AD797 and BB627 opamps and tried them in the DAC and amp position.

 

First - the AD797 is very sensitive to voltages. AD recommends 15V not 18V. It is rated to work at 18V but both my AD797's are now dead. They did work well for a week but then suddenly one day they refused to work. It could be the browndog adapter as well but I am not sure.

 

Performance (short review - if you have questions post em here)-

 

1. AD797 - very clean sound - everything is well separated and held in place. Once again I do not believe that headphones give a true soundstage but with the dual mono AD797's everyting was help in place without any congestion, something that the single 2134 did present.

 

The problem with the AD797 is one of resolution. It extends well to the extremes but it lacks the resolution that I am looking for in what it does. It tries to deliver the entire frequency spectrum but does it without revealing the finer bits and resolution of whatever it does. Example - Sarah brightman will extend cleanly but you wont hear her voice resonate nor will it sound full. It lacks that WOW factor where the music draws you in. I felt it too boring. It is very clean with no haze at all but it is like looking at a picture of a place rather than a beautiful painting.

 

2. BB627 - this chip was fun. It is still doing duty in the amp stage. The 627 does not extend as much in the highs as the 797 but it does have a LOT of resolution. Sarah brightmans voice now sounds a lot more bodied and you can hear her voice resonating as she goes about entertaining you. The problems with the 627 is timing. It sounds a little slow compared to the AD797. Its bass is a little loose as well. It does not extend very low and has a slight warm muddy feel to the bass. This chip has a wonderful midrange with lots of resolution but thats where it ends. If you listen to a singer with a deep voice, the bass can make it sound a little baritone like. Personally I prefered this chip over the 797 as it had the resolution. The 627 was like looking at a beautiful painting of the place rather than a photograph. You need to understand that the painting may not be 100% accurate but is a work of art while the photograph maybe a better representation of what you see but it may lack that warmth that the painting can convey.

 

I did try these chips in the DAC stage as well but persoanlly I would suggest that you leave the 2134 in the DAC stage. The AUNE DAC is good but it lacks timing. I compared this with the Simaudio and I alwasy felt that the Sim sounded musical. I couldnt tell why in the beginning as both DACS sound very close in terms of presentation. However after a while I figured out that the Sim had a lot more space between notes, it stopped and started notes clearly while the AUNE DAC tended to merge different stops and starts of a tune together. I find timing to be a problem with a lot of cheaper to mid DACS and CD players (below $1000).

 

Please keep in mind that the 797 was not being run at its optimal setting and I am sure it will vary depending on how you implement it. However this is as far as I am willing to go with the AUNE.

 

I was using the Beyer 880 with this amp.

 

Also one more point - the amp (using any OPAMP i have tried) has a sweet spot on the volume control when it sounds terrific. If you go beyond that it makes the sound mushy. If you go below that the sound looses its flow and musicality. I don't know why this happens but I did notice it. Luckily this sweet spot is pretty loud so I can enjoy my music happily with this DAC.

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #10 of 21
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The AD797 is working again. Looks like it was loosely fitted in the socket:)

 

I would like to stress the differnence that dual opamps vs single make. You can clearly feel the difference on the soundstage between the two. The mono opamps hold everything in place with instruments finely separated. The single opamp blurs instruments together and does not hold the soundstage as well as the monos.

 

SB

post #11 of 21

nice review 

post #12 of 21

Great review, this thread should be merged with the one in Dedicated Sources forum!

 

Currently using a pair of ADA4627-1 in LPF and a pair of AD744 in the headamp section with a Tangent THREAD psu outputting 22V DC and it sounds great!

 

 

 

post #13 of 21

Thanks for the excellent follow up of your review.

 

I'm glad your 797 was okay in the end. You made an interesting point regarding dual mono op-amps having better soundstage. So perhaps a further (and economical) upgrade to the setup would be to replace the dual OPA2134 chip with 2 x OPA132 chips on an adapter. Since OPA132 is the single version of the 2134 / 2132.

 

 

Now a follow up note of my own to my earlier comment regarding AD744. Turns out it was an adapter problem. I assembled a new adapter and AD744 in the headamp section is fine now. Still have not received my OPA627s yet.

 

post #14 of 21
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How does the LM4562 sound as an opamp? What is the character? Yes, I still maintain that the 2134 is the best bang for your buck as far as the AUNE goes. I do not like the 2604 at all. Sounds like a radio:) I think using 2 mono versions of the 2134 should do the trick. This opamp was developed specially for audio and is used in my $2000 Sim cd player and Arcams flagship cd37 player as well! Definitely the implementation would be way superior as my Sim times like no other. The Sim does exhibit a character of a slightly rolled of top end which I could attribute to the 2134's character but the baalance of the sound in the Sim Equinox SE is spectacular! Wonderful body, air, bass extension and control and superb superb timing...best cd player

I have owned so far...and its using 2134's in the output stage!

post #15 of 21

Okay, I'll give it a shot. However, I'm pretty new to this and I'm using ATH-M50 headphones. Excellent sounding cans at their price point, but not quite as hi-fi as the pricier DT880 et el. With that in mind, here's my comparison between LM4562, AD744 (OB), and OPA2604. Those are the three that I have been trying in the output position with OPA2134 in the dac position. I don't have enough experience to comment on LM4562 by itself.

 

 

AD744 (OB):  These are two single chips mounted on an adapter. Each chip has pin 6 removed and pin 5 bent into pin 6's position (a.k.a. the OB mod). These produced the greatest bass impact for me. The sub-bass can clearly be felt and not just heard. These chips do not seem to sacrifice anything in the mids or highs. Overall very engaging. They may have an improvement in soundstage, but I find it hard to tell with my closed headphones. It might just be placebo effect for me. The only open cans I have are the SR60, which have even less soundstage than the M50, so I guess I should just stop commenting on soundstage, haha.

 

LM4562:  To me, this has the cleanest sound out of the three. Female vocals, especially, seemed clearer and smoother. Nice detail. This is the closest I have come to hearing vocals on my headphones that sound like they were live (but again, I have not received my OPA627s yet). A bit more analytical than the AD744. This chip is very well suited to my headphones because my cans do not need any help in the bass department.

 

OPA2604:  I do not like this opamp either. Compared to the other opamps above, this is the most coarse sounding. Maybe "veiled" is the word to use here? If so, this is veiled with a thick wooly blanket, heh. Yeah, it reminds me of listening to a radio too. I've seen a few dac/amps out there that use this opamp and don't know why it gets selected, since it costs more than the OPA2134 but sound worse in every way. Perhaps there's some good engineering reason. Or maybe OPA2604 actually sounds good, but the Aune makers got scammed by their suppliers and received fake 2604 chips without knowing. Just a wild guess.

 

 

Footnote: I got my AD744 and LM4562 from Digikey. The OPA2134 and OPA2604 are the stock ones with the Aune.

 

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How does the LM4562 sound as an opamp? What is the character?


 

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