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On the RE0

post #1 of 14
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So I've been looking around alot, and even though my NE-6 have been serving me well, I'm having one of those impulse buy moments but figure I should post/ask around first. Anyways, the RE0s have piqued my interest because all of my past IEMs/headphones have had some sort of bass emphasis or other; I'm pretty curious as to what the RE0s, or a generally analytical-sounding/less bassy IEM would sound like, and how much I'd enjoy it (85% of my music is metal/rock), plus the RE0s have gotten good reviews for just about everything, almost, minus the bass-light-ness. Guess I'm going cold turkey on that, haha. Anyways, I have a few questions regarding the RE0

 

-is it pretty okay coming from an ipod nano 5th gen unamped? i've seen alot of posts about people using various amps to make up for their source deficiencies, so I'm just hoping if I do get em I won't be listening to just half their potential

-the pic on head-direct of the RE0 appears to be the straight plugged, fiber knit cloth version. is that what's being sold now or has it just not been updated to the PPE cabled, L-cable version?

-how do i justify getting a new pair of IEMs when my NE-6s are going strong? LOL

-if i do justify it, should i actually go for it, or wait and see if there're new things coming out that could be even better? eg. the new jays line coming this summer, or the maximo m790. 

-while i know the RE0s will be basslight, will i at least be able to follow the bass guitars playing in metal/rock? 

-is it physically possible for analytical IEMs like the RE0 to get fists pumping, feet tapping, heads banging? 

-anyways  i think that's it, thanks in advance :)

post #2 of 14
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bump. oh yeah, and how do drums sound on the RE0s? I can stand bass-light but if the drums are virtually nonexistant/have no impact at all...

post #3 of 14

1. Sounds fine to me out of my iPod 5G. I don't know if I'll ever get a portable amp larger than, say, a Fiio.

 

2. Nope. The plug's at a 90 degree angle and the cable is PPE. Also seems durable as hell. I climbed a tree with these on and slid down a branch chest-down, my skin hurt like hell but the cable was spotless.

 

3. How do any of us justify new headphone purchases? "Maybe if I throw a little more money at it..."

 

4. Apparently Hifiman is coming out with a new RE, RE-ZERO (yes, it's RE0 with the 0 spelled out). Limited edition, claims to be an RE0 with more bass for $99. If you want to wait for that. I probably should have.

 

5. The bass guitar comes out pretty well in most songs. It's buried compared to the rest, and if it's noisy out it may get drowned out completely. Bass guitar has more volume that kick drum.

 

6. Oh, yes. These have very nice mid-highs. Guitars aren't as crunchy as on a Grado, but are quite detailed.

 

7. Kickdrum is the only drum that suffers. It's got good punch for the size, but not enough volume. The rest of the drum set sounds great, if maybe a little resonant from the closed and sealed design.

 

Further musings on the bass: It's very detailed! Earlier today I listened to "Fables of Faubus" from Charles Mingus's album "Mingus Ah Um" with them. There's an upright bass pluck from 4:00 onward where Mingus hits the string hard and lets it vibrate for a second before stopping it. Had good impact on the RE0, but not enough volume to be impressive. What was great about it is that I could hear the string moving back and forth, could tell when it stopped and changed directions. Even though the HF2 I'm listening to right now has a lot more volume, that vibration comes through no clearer. So big props to the speed and detail of the RE0 driver.


Edited by Head Injury - 5/25/10 at 2:34pm
post #4 of 14

Compared to other IEMs in the price range, I don't think the RE0 will come off worse when it comes to picking out the bass line but it will be bass quality vs bass quantity and it's probably not the best IEM for the job.  1/3 of my music is Metal and the rest is some form of Rock, I have no issue with them being "lifeless" or too analytical but I don't really headbang much regardless of the earphone. 

post #5 of 14

I have an iPod Classic, but when I use my RE0s, I use a Clip with a little bass boost. The bass may be clear and detailed, but after a while, I feel they are lacking unless you get some boost. I also have the IM390, which has more bass, but is no where near as clear and clean as the RE0.

post #6 of 14
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hmmm, i see. interesting...thanks very much for your responses. For metal/rock, and if I'm looking for a slightly colder/analytical sound, which you consider this to be my best option at its price range? Compared to stuff like the FA eternas, er6i, or m590s..


Edited by jaieger - 5/26/10 at 8:27pm
post #7 of 14
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bumpp

post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by jaieger View Post


-is it pretty okay coming from an ipod nano 5th gen unamped? i've seen alot of posts about people using various amps to make up for their source deficiencies, so I'm just hoping if I do get em I won't be listening to just half their potential

-the pic on head-direct of the RE0 appears to be the straight plugged, fiber knit cloth version. is that what's being sold now or has it just not been updated to the PPE cabled, L-cable version?

-how do i justify getting a new pair of IEMs when my NE-6s are going strong? LOL

-if i do justify it, should i actually go for it, or wait and see if there're new things coming out that could be even better? eg. the new jays line coming this summer, or the maximo m790. 

-while i know the RE0s will be basslight, will i at least be able to follow the bass guitars playing in metal/rock? 

-is it physically possible for analytical IEMs like the RE0 to get fists pumping, feet tapping, heads banging? 

-anyways  i think that's it, thanks in advance :)


Yes, but they benefit somewhat from an amp.

The newest one is being sold. I highly doubt they are shipping any more fabric cable RE0s, the new ones have been out for a while.

Close your eyes and push the "buy" button. Justification is not necessary.

Wait for the RE-ZERO.

Yes. Bass is present and highly detailed. It is easy to hear, but will not punch you in the gut every time a drum is hit.

Most certainly. Especially with a little bass+ EQ, the RE0 become not just analytical but extremely fun to listen to. Dynamics are a bit weak, but otherwise solid.

post #9 of 14
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Close your eyes and push the "buy" button. Justification is not necessary.

 


you, sir, are awesome. XD anyways i think i'll probably wait and see the reviews for the RE-zero when they come out; i'll see what i do after that. if they somehow mutilate the analytical-ness or something, ill just go for the RE0s. or if they're awesome and sell out in a millisecond. Either way.

post #10 of 14
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you, sir, are awesome. XD anyways i think i'll probably wait and see the reviews for the RE-zero when they come out; i'll see what i do after that. if they somehow mutilate the analytical-ness or something, ill just go for the RE0s. or if they're awesome and sell out in a millisecond. Either way.


Yes, yes I am. 

 

I plan to pick up a "used" review model or something a little later. I don't think head direct would release a special edition product that wasn't up to par. Really, one of the reasons these are somewhat bass weak is because of the low sensitivity and high impedance. The RE-Zeros may hiss a bit more, but I don't feel like they'll change the RE0 formula that much; after all, head direct has already put out a model (RE252) known as an RE0 with better bass.

 

I just hope they make the dynamic range on the new ones a bit stronger, IMO without an amp that's one of the major weaknesses in the originals to involve me in my music.

post #11 of 14
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Mmm that's true. How then do you think this "more real bass" will affect the RE0 if it's not going to become an RE252 then? just make it more present/impactful? 

post #12 of 14

My guess is the lower impedance of the coils will make it easier to get strong bass out of low output devices. People have said that the RE0 bass increases with good sources/amps. So yes I would say more impactful.

post #13 of 14
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hrm. I guess that means I'll definitely be lining up for the RE-Zero :D

post #14 of 14

the bass is a little weaker than mdr ex1000 with the small black fully dialated tips

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