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Help, Broke a cap off my ipod

post #1 of 9
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I was replacing the battery in my ipod 5G, and I accidentally broke a SMD cap off the mainboard.

 

Is there anyway to figure out what cap it is?

 

I was going to solder it back on, but it was definately broken.

 

Here's a picture:

(not my picture, I just drew the circle)

 

capsu.jpg

 

Is there anyway I can figure out what the specs of the cap are, so I can buy a replacement?

It's marked on the board, C75.

 

Thanks,

nullstring


Edited by nullstring - 5/23/10 at 12:57pm
post #2 of 9
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bump? =/

post #3 of 9

You'll have to use a cap meter.  All you can tell by looking at it is that it's a ceramic cap, not its value.

 

You probably don't have to worry about voltage rating.  Once you know the value, I'd just get whatever X7R fits that footprint.  It's hard to judge scale from that pic, but it looks like an 0603 size cap.  If you have some calipers, post the measurements, or just compare them to the measurements in the datasheet for the cap you're looking at.

 

There's a chance the iPod will still work without that cap.  Have you tried it?

post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 

Yeah, I've tried it without the cap.

The HDD doesn't spin up... so it doesn't boot. Otherwise it seems to work fine. 

 

 

I wasn't hoping people could tell what cap it was by looking at the picture. I was hoping that maybe it was documented somewhere.

lol, whats the chances that apple would tell me what it is? >_<

 

 

anyway, there is very large chip on the one of the poles of the capacitor.. hardly any contact point left.

 

Is it really a good idea to measure it?

post #5 of 9

Maybe, might not be accurate though. Have a friend with a similar iPod that wouldn't mind you opening it up?

 

Or maybe you can find a broken one on eBay for a few bucks.

post #6 of 9
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I don't believe I know anyone around here with an iPod 5G..

I suppose the broken one will probably have to suffice.

 

None the less, if anyone comes up with a good idea, let me know.

 

 

Or maybe someone around here wouldn't mind opening their ipod and measuring it. >_>

I'd certainly be in their debt.

post #7 of 9
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Yeah, I've tried it without the cap.

The HDD doesn't spin up...


Loss of one little ol' ceramic shouldn't cause that.  Are you sure the event that knocked this cap off didn't cause other damage?  A cracked trace maybe?

post #8 of 9
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Loss of one little ol' ceramic shouldn't cause that.  Are you sure the event that knocked this cap off didn't cause other damage?  A cracked trace maybe?


 

I looked over it and I didn't see anything.

However, I am not always the most observant person. I will take another look. (later, I'm at work right now)

 

Are you sure that cap couldn't be a power filter cap?

Or anything that would be completing the circuit with the hdd...

Or be part of a voltage regulation circuit for the hdd?

(/me shrugs, IDK?)

post #9 of 9
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Are you sure that cap couldn't be a power filter cap?


That's most likely what it is, statistically speaking.  I'm basing that on an assumption that decoupling (a.k.a. bypass) is the most common use of ceramic caps.  I could be wrong, or your iPod could be an atypical user of ceramic caps.

 

A well-engnineered system is designed so that every last decoupling cap isn't absolutely required for the device to function at all.  You want to overengineer things a bit, for lots of reasons, not just the unlikely possibility that one will be knocked off the board.  Apple knows how to do proper engineering.  

 

If instead your iPod started but crashed shortly after startup, that'd be different.  I'm not saying the cap is pointless so removing it is totally harmless, just that there are reasons why removing it should not be expected to completely brick the iPod.

 

 

Quote:
completing the circuit with the hdd...

 

I doubt it.  Coupling caps are an analog filtering type function.  Failure to boot is a digital-domain problem, which is all about DC.  There shouldn't be any coupling caps in that section of the circuit.

 

 

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Or be part of a voltage regulation circuit for the hdd?

 

A much better theory, though probably less statistically likely than mine.

 

I don't see any need to tie it directly to the HDD.  It could be a filtering cap for the DC-DC converter that turns the 5 V USB power into something more like 3.3 V for the main processor, for example.  Losing that could certainly kill the device.


Edited by tangent - 5/25/10 at 6:39pm
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