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post #991 of 14008

Perhaps a Krell integrated amp should do the trick too.

post #992 of 14008

 

Thanks for the impressions with the HDP Larry! I've the HE-6s on order and have received word that they've just been shipped today from HK. The only amp i do have with me at the moment are the HDPs and was afraid they may not have enough juice to drive the HE-6s at all so your post does put my mind somewhat at ease.

 

Btw, i primarily listen to rock and alternative and i'm looking at the HE-6s as a replacement phone for my HD800s since they seem to be lacking the impact especially in bass for the genre of music i listen too. How would you describe the sound of the HD800s compared to the HE-6s for rock, especially in the bass department?

 

Many thanks in advance!
 

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post

 

My Nuforce HDP was running off the PWD at the same time, so I tried listening with that and found that at 5 o'clock it will play the production HE-6 an estimated 1-2 dB louder than the ZDT - while the prototype HE-6 via HDP was not much louder than the ZDT and would clip if I pushed the volume past about 3 o'clock.  Despite the HDP's more aggressive upper mids, it still sounded pretty good as a budget amp with the HE-6.  I have not tried the HDP side by side with the EF5 or SAC amps yet, but I'm not even sure if that comparison in power levels is needed, as they all seem acceptable and close.

post #993 of 14008

 

HE-6 and Ed 10

 

Anyone out there have experience with the HE-6 and the Ultrasone Ed10 regarding similarities and/or differences?

post #994 of 14008

Any impressions of the HE-6 with the SR71-B (soon to be released)?

post #995 of 14008
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Originally Posted by crumpler View Post

 

Thanks for the impressions with the HDP Larry! I've the HE-6s on order and have received word that they've just been shipped today from HK. The only amp i do have with me at the moment are the HDPs and was afraid they may not have enough juice to drive the HE-6s at all so your post does put my mind somewhat at ease.

 

Btw, i primarily listen to rock and alternative and i'm looking at the HE-6s as a replacement phone for my HD800s since they seem to be lacking the impact especially in bass for the genre of music i listen too. How would you describe the sound of the HD800s compared to the HE-6s for rock, especially in the bass department?

 

Many thanks in advance!
 

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post

 

My Nuforce HDP was running off the PWD at the same time, so I tried listening with that and found that at 5 o'clock it will play the production HE-6 an estimated 1-2 dB louder than the ZDT - while the prototype HE-6 via HDP was not much louder than the ZDT and would clip if I pushed the volume past about 3 o'clock.  Despite the HDP's more aggressive upper mids, it still sounded pretty good as a budget amp with the HE-6.  I have not tried the HDP side by side with the EF5 or SAC amps yet, but I'm not even sure if that comparison in power levels is needed, as they all seem acceptable and close.


I would also like to know that!

post #996 of 14008
Especially for electronica but also metal etc. which lives from fast notes or hard hitting beats I'd strongly advise to try firstly the HE-5 LE which has in my ears the deeper and more solid bass and the overall tighter sound. In this regard I'm not satisfied with the smoothed and sophisticated presentation of the HE-6.
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

I really think the HE-6 perform well enough to be my main cans for a long time, but tonight I realized one of the problems I had with the HD600 is now present with the HE-6, but also until tonight I had no idea what the cause was. With the HD600 for a long time I would get inner ear soreness/pain, in my left ear only, after about 2 hours. This is also present with the HE-6, but it takes longer to develop. I saw a thread here mentioning the clamping force and how the cups distribute force to the side of the head. The idea is that the force applied by the bottom of the cup is enough that it can pinch or at least put pressure on nerves in the neck leading to the inner ear, causing these inner ear issues. I currently have my HE-6 stretching over a box slightly wider than the size of my head in an effort to cease this problem. I dare not try this with my HD600 as I have had an HD600 in the past break across the top headband while simply putting them on my head. I am extremely careful about pulling them apart to slide them on now. Luckily the HE-6 headband is merely metal with leather and can take the strain without shattering. As a test, tonight, after reading that thread, I shifted the HE-6 to a different, less pressure, spot on the left side of my head. The resulting pressure shift increased the force on the right side, and for the first time ever, I felt the same inner ear pain in the right ear.

 

All that said, if the clamping pressure of these HE-6 isn't fixed i may be forced into the land of high end IEMs. The IEMs I do have, I can listen for 6+ hours without any inner ear discomfort whatsoever. If the LCD-2 is supposed to be as bad or worse about clamping pressure, I may not be satisfied with any other circumaural headphone. I did not have anything remarkable to say about the Stax O2/BH I listened to at a meet (fairly quiet environment, actually), so even stats will likely not answer the call, since the lambas, which have literally no clamping pressure, sounded very interesting, but not in a way that sounded right from top to bottom as the HE-6 does.

You don't have to have the HE-6's stretching over a box, if you feel that lower can clamping is causing your pain. The 6's can be molded any way that you like, since the headband is metal with leather stitched over it. Just angle the bottom of the drivers to a more friendly position to your head and it should fix your problem. 

I had a problem that every time I took off the headphones, the cans were angled in, in such a way, that the sliders would always return to the home position, or what would be the fully open (smallest size) position, and I had to adjust them every time. No big deal since I pretty much max out the band, but once I bent the band a little, it lowered the clamping force on the bottom of the cup slightly, which also helped the cups maintain their setting for my head. 

The HD600/800's are made from a plastic composite, and have to be trained over time to hold your position of comfort.
 

 


 

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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

A bit unorthodox that iems is the solve for inner ear pain :).

 

As for the LCD-2 some get clamping force. Mainly the early adopters and beta testers it seems. I have none whatsoever just enough so they stay in place. Maybe I should measure my head for you lol.

 

However I am mostly curious about how a speaker amp can be to powerful? Isn´t it safe as long as you keep the volume way low? Or can you still destroy headphones like this by having to powerful amps? My amp is 7x95W would I need an impedance box for the LCD-2?

 

You would definitely need one for the HE-6, which would make me think (since the LCD-2 is still slightly more efficient) that you would need one for the LCD-2 at 95W also.
 

 


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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post
I don't think he was using an impedance box but I am sure he was running it through a loop with one of his headphone amplifiers to use it as pre-amp and control the volume. I remember because I was listening to the HE-6 and I was not that impressed but what happened is that I was listening to them out of his EF5 amp. He saw that and change the set up to use the Threshold and control the volume with the EF5 (I think). It was a huge differenece in sound quality and presentation using the power of the Threshold.

Fang was using his EF-5 as a pre-amp running into the 100 w.p.c. Threshold, but remember, this was a pair of proto headphones as the prodos were not invented yet, which have much higher sensitivity and need to be protected when using an amp greater than 75 watts.
 

 

post #998 of 14008
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Originally Posted by crumpler View Post

 

Thanks for the impressions with the HDP Larry! I've the HE-6s on order and have received word that they've just been shipped today from HK. The only amp i do have with me at the moment are the HDPs and was afraid they may not have enough juice to drive the HE-6s at all so your post does put my mind somewhat at ease.

 

Btw, i primarily listen to rock and alternative and i'm looking at the HE-6s as a replacement phone for my HD800s since they seem to be lacking the impact especially in bass for the genre of music i listen too. How would you describe the sound of the HD800s compared to the HE-6s for rock, especially in the bass department?

 

Many thanks in advance!
 

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Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict View Post

 

My Nuforce HDP was running off the PWD at the same time, so I tried listening with that and found that at 5 o'clock it will play the production HE-6 an estimated 1-2 dB louder than the ZDT - while the prototype HE-6 via HDP was not much louder than the ZDT and would clip if I pushed the volume past about 3 o'clock.  Despite the HDP's more aggressive upper mids, it still sounded pretty good as a budget amp with the HE-6.  I have not tried the HDP side by side with the EF5 or SAC amps yet, but I'm not even sure if that comparison in power levels is needed, as they all seem acceptable and close.


I've always said that I like the HD800 more with jazz, classical, acoustic, folk and vocal more than with rock.  They're also better with electronic and new age than rock.  With the HE-6 I don't feel that any kind of music is off limits, and in my initial impressions I posted that the HE-6 were better with rock music.  

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/493214/hifiman-he-6-planar-headphone/675#post_7049606

 

I want to mention that I do prefer a bassy, punchy and powerful headphone with rock music the most, and I'd still like a little more power with the HE-6 to get that thrill out of them. The 55-watt Yamaha receiver did that for the prototype, and I just need a speaker terminal adapter to try it again with these new HE-6.  So, I have to admit that I like the O2 Mk1, LA7000 and LCD-2 slightly more with rock than the HE-6, even though the HE-6 beat both my HD800 and the HE-60 baby orpheus in that area.  The HE-6 are nice because they have good bass at low volumes, and I don't have to crank them up to hear it.  But when I do crank them up I want just a tiny bit more impact.

post #999 of 14008

I don't quite understand the need to reduce the watts out on the higher wattage amps. The wattage doesn't matter, it isn't going to hurst your phones unless you drive them too loud a level. Whether it is a 1000 watt or 10 watt. Clipping can cause damage and if continued and ruin the transducers due to the high distortion. I am not quite clear on the need to control the higher wattage amps. I prefer less not more in the signal path. Maybe I am misunderstanding something here. 

post #1000 of 14008

There is less chance you will destroy the headphones when you inevitable forget to turn the volume down?

post #1001 of 14008

I know that a speaker amp is no longer necessary for these cans, but is is also not a bad idea. Does anyone have suggestions of a very good speaker amp for them. I am guessing it needs to be an integrated amp, so it has volume control. I am not opposed to a headphone amp, I just want to make sure I am getting everything out of them I can. I would like something fully balanced if possible.

post #1002 of 14008

@ Aaron

 

I've had them on the box for about 20 hours but haven't listened to them yet tonight. We'll see if that had any effect. If not I'll try the bend. As far as the adjustments, regardless of position it seems to always put most of the pressure at the bottom of the cup. WTB Lamda frame with HE-6 drivers.. PST.

 

@ TruBrew

 

You'll need an integrated amp or a power amp with a pre-amp, like Fang used at CanJam with the Threshold as the power amp and the EF5 as the preamp for volume control.

 

Perhaps Fang will grace us with a reason we need the box for amps over 70Wpc.

post #1003 of 14008

I forgot the DAC i ordered had a preamp, so I can use any amp. I just don't know if a speaker amp or headphone amp will sound better for the price. I am looking to spend under $2000, but the ZDT seems tempting. I am just thinking that $2000 would go farther in the speaker amp world.

post #1004 of 14008

It all depends on your uses and how you want to spread your money, or not spread, as the case may be. As good as my Little Dot is, I would love it if I could get better sound from my Pioneer receiver, since I got it for free and I also use it to power my speakers. I could sell the Little Dot and still have great sound. I'm a 1 headphone kind of guy so there would be no point in keeping a headphone amp if this were to work out in this fashion.

 

If you are a multi-headphone guy, a Zana Duex sounds like a great idea, since you'll be using it for other headphones as well.

 

As for speaker amps, you will likely get more for your money by going for a power amp since you have a pre-amp from your DAC. Integrated amps 'waste' a lot of money on all the alternative inputs and outputs and potentiometers/switches. Power amps have a couple sets of inputs and a power switch, maybe an LED indicating it's on. Nice and simple.


Edited by Maxvla - 11/16/10 at 6:00pm
post #1005 of 14008
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

There is less chance you will destroy the headphones when you inevitable forget to turn the volume down?

Sure but that is true with speakers as well. I have some that have a sensitivity of 105db. Turn the preamp up and flip on the amp and you will blow the speakers or a few thousand dollars. I guess caution is always good but I prefer less not more in the signal path. 

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