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post #9811 of 14253
The HE6 continue to be the hardest headphone to get right for me. I haven't plugged them in for months and found I didn't enjoy them very much with the PWD. I'm now using the Master 7, with a CSP2+ as preamp to an Odyssey Stratos Plus. I was hoping my Balancing Act could take over the preamp duties but there is far too much noise on the line. Well, the Master 7 improves upon the PWD, which was fatiguing, but still I get the same perception of 'potentially great', but still missing something. My best experience with this headphone came long ago with a W4S Dac 2 and a Marantz 2285. It was one of those elusive matches made from beyond and was utterly stunning. I've not come near this since and I think I have an idea as to the why now. Over the past month or so I've been gravitating to the HD800 and most recently HE60 sound. Both headphones have that Sennheiser buttery smoothness, which to these ears is a beautiful sound. Unlike the Audeze's, which are smooth, but considerably darker and closed in, I enjoy a brighter sound. The HE6, however, are not Sennheiser smooth and has that bite in the presence region and those jagged little ridges beyond 10k, which make the treble quality very dependent upon the recording quality. Yet, they're remarkably clean sounding and are absolute detail monsters, but the magic is not there like it is with the Sennheisers. I may just need to get the Marantz fixed and accept it as the end of the road for the HE6. I just don't have the patience to continue to tinker with this headphone (between the CSP2+ tubes, interconnects, source changes, power cables, there are too many variables), particularly when others are on the same level or above. On the other hand my Lampizator will be here very soon and hopefully the tubes will give it a much needed shot of margarine. Until then this headphone will be the headphone that could have ruled the empire, but in the hands of an owner who couldn't harness it's potential.

*I should also try it out of the Dynahi I have (8wpc into 50ohms), which has that beautiful, detailed smoothness only found in great SS amps.
Edited by ericfarrell85 - 10/25/13 at 7:44pm
post #9812 of 14253
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericfarrell85 View Post

The HE6 continue to be the hardest headphone to get right for me. I haven't plugged them in for months and found I didn't enjoy them very much with the PWD. I'm now using the Master 7, with a CSP2+ as preamp to an Odyssey Stratos Plus. I was hoping my Balancing Act could take over the preamp duties but there is far too much noise on the line. Well, the Master 7 improves upon the PWD, which was fatiguing, but still I get the same perception of 'potentially great', but still missing something. My best experience with this headphone came long ago with a W4S Dac 2 and a Marantz 2285. It was one of those elusive matches made from beyond and was utterly stunning. I've not come near this since and I think I have an idea as to the why now. Over the past month or so I've been gravitating to the HD800 and most recently HE60 sound. Both headphones have that Sennheiser buttery smoothness, which to these ears is a beautiful sound. Unlike the Audeze's, which are smooth, but considerably darker and closed in, I enjoy a brighter sound. The HE6, however, are not Sennheiser smooth and has that bite in the presence region and those jagged little ridges beyond 10k, which make the treble quality very dependent upon the recording quality. Yet, they're remarkably clean sounding and are absolute detail monsters, but the magic is not there like it is with the Sennheisers. I may just need to get the Marantz fixed and accept it as the end of the road for the HE6. I just don't have the patience to continue to tinker with this headphone (between the CSP2+ tubes, interconnects, source changes, power cables, there are too many variables), particularly when others are on the same level or above. On the other hand my Lampizator will be here very soon and hopefully the tubes will give it a much needed shot of margarine. Until then this headphone will be the headphone that could have ruled the empire, but in the hands of an owner who couldn't harness it's potential.

*I should also try it out of the Dynahi I have (8wpc into 50ohms), which has that beautiful, detailed smoothness only found in great SS amps.

I may be wrong here, but it seems like you have the gear at your disposal for a good pairing, but it's just not "getting there". Initially I think your preamp would be suspect. This has become just as important as the amp and dac i use. If your system qualifies, try a passive pre such as the LDR-based 'lightspeed'. It does the least amount of damage to the signal i have experienced to date of any preamp. 

 

Second, do look into speaker amps with a properly matched preamp. The HE-6 i believe was quite literally made to run off speaker amps lol.

 

Don't give up just yet! You're close, so very very close.

post #9813 of 14253

Thanks for the advice Brunk, hard advice though it may be. I have thrown a lot of money into this headphone already (Odyssey, Marantz, Pioneer SX1250) and unlike the HD800, which also took a long time to get right, the BA knocks it out of the park. I don't want to throw any more cash at this beast of a headphone, not at the moment at least.

 

BUT...

 

It just gives me something that is different from everything else; that great grunt and weight mixed with some of the best detail retrieval I've heard to date. The only thing is, and this is extremely difficult to place and never seen on any graph, but the refinement is missing. It's more power and weight, and I seem to appreciate that noble sound (think SR007, HE60) a great deal. Maybe it is the CSP2+ as preamp, who knows at this point. In the past I've solved some issues with something as silly as a cable or tube swap. I'll be getting an offramp soon to add a second flavor to the Audiophilleo, so who knows, that might do something. But if I was to go out and buy a new pre, I would look to something like a Manley, and there's too many other expenses on the queue. I still like them more than the Audeze (which have behaved much better on the Dynahi), but at the moment the HE6 remains behind the HD800, HE60, SR007 on the satisfaction scale. 

post #9814 of 14253

i have a  1956, Tung-Sol 5U4GB tube - Black Ribbed Plates on the preamp Csp2+, gives a more full bodied sound to the HE6.

:D

post #9815 of 14253
Eric,

Take them with your speaker tap adapter and make an appointment with http://www.audionexus.com/nl13_simaudio.shtml. Either take your Master 7 (my suggestion) or use one of the Simaudio DACs there. Give the I600 a spin. Mind you, it will be shocking price wise but it will give you a chance to hear just how well the HE "can" sound. It would be my end game rig but it's out of my realm of toys.
post #9816 of 14253
Maybe a mod of the pads will do the trick?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646812/hifiman-he500-he400-jergpad-mod-v2-5-new-measurements-posted-modulor-orders-updated

It seems like this mod takes off some (if not all) of the excess treble, which is the only thing I can complain about on the HE-6.
post #9817 of 14253
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

 

Oh, I guess you don't like me then :wink:

 

Here's my latest wizardry. I still need to add a coat or two of tung oil (weather permitting) and hook up the supertweeters, but I had to give them a listen tonight and boy are they nice! Who put Adele in my room?! :eek:

 

 

Hrmm, I've seen those before ;)

post #9818 of 14253
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Originally Posted by ericfarrell85 View Post
 

Thanks for the advice Brunk, hard advice though it may be. I have thrown a lot of money into this headphone already (Odyssey, Marantz, Pioneer SX1250) and unlike the HD800, which also took a long time to get right, the BA knocks it out of the park. I don't want to throw any more cash at this beast of a headphone, not at the moment at least.

 

BUT...

 

It just gives me something that is different from everything else; that great grunt and weight mixed with some of the best detail retrieval I've heard to date. The only thing is, and this is extremely difficult to place and never seen on any graph, but the refinement is missing. It's more power and weight, and I seem to appreciate that noble sound (think SR007, HE60) a great deal. Maybe it is the CSP2+ as preamp, who knows at this point. In the past I've solved some issues with something as silly as a cable or tube swap. I'll be getting an offramp soon to add a second flavor to the Audiophilleo, so who knows, that might do something. But if I was to go out and buy a new pre, I would look to something like a Manley, and there's too many other expenses on the queue. I still like them more than the Audeze (which have behaved much better on the Dynahi), but at the moment the HE6 remains behind the HD800, HE60, SR007 on the satisfaction scale. 

 

Hello,

 

I have HD800 with DHC cable, HE6 with Stefan Art Audio E and a HE60. 

I run them with a MCIntosh MC225 or the Audiomat connected to my Audio GD M7.

I feel the HD800 a bit more brigther and less enjoyable than my HE6 and HE60.

post #9819 of 14253
I have all the above headphones, and the audio gd M7 dac is less fatiging then the pdw2 . But if played lower does give some more detail space. For the amps
Reg the HE6 . I have two amps . Woo WA5 all tube upgrade . I bought this after listening to them on it. It took the glare off the edges for the headphone. But I did not like how it sounds with the hd800. Ext amp I bought with the M7 was the M8 . This combo is the best IMO for the He 6 and the hd800 hands down. I them connected through king was ACSS connectors it's his version of bal output input. Well for both headphones it's just magic. But the key here is the M7 dac . As I own many dacs and that dac is one I always come back and it sounds like home. Now for the oddessys the Pwd sounds better I guess it's the edginess of the dac the can be turned down a nothch with those headphones . This is a very expensive game like hobby with all of reading and unless you spend the time and money to play reading is just a small part as listing is where it really happens. I bought the WA5 and the Wa22 at the NYC show this year after listening to them and the headphones. Of course even though most agree the WA5 is best for the He6 is was not for me. And that amp does not sound good with the hd800 or the LCD,3 . I am hoPEING to find a small pair of ne'er field SPEAKERS for my office and I guess it will end up there.

Just my opinion on this ...

AL D
post #9820 of 14253
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Originally Posted by ericfarrell85 View Post
 

Thanks for the advice Brunk, hard advice though it may be. I have thrown a lot of money into this headphone already (Odyssey, Marantz, Pioneer SX1250) and unlike the HD800, which also took a long time to get right, the BA knocks it out of the park. I don't want to throw any more cash at this beast of a headphone, not at the moment at least.

 

BUT...

 

It just gives me something that is different from everything else; that great grunt and weight mixed with some of the best detail retrieval I've heard to date. The only thing is, and this is extremely difficult to place and never seen on any graph, but the refinement is missing. It's more power and weight, and I seem to appreciate that noble sound (think SR007, HE60) a great deal. Maybe it is the CSP2+ as preamp, who knows at this point. In the past I've solved some issues with something as silly as a cable or tube swap. I'll be getting an offramp soon to add a second flavor to the Audiophilleo, so who knows, that might do something. But if I was to go out and buy a new pre, I would look to something like a Manley, and there's too many other expenses on the queue. I still like them more than the Audeze (which have behaved much better on the Dynahi), but at the moment the HE6 remains behind the HD800, HE60, SR007 on the satisfaction scale. 

 

E,

 

I know you've been having this issue for a while now.  I'm going to have to send you my pair.  Hell that Odyssey should do the trick.  Really good amp.  Want to use them for my speaker rig.  

 

I also like the PWD2 pair with the HE-6 over the Master 7.  The PWD2 gives it more weight / punch / slam.  The Master 7 leans it out and does not add nothing - dead nuts neutral.  To my ears the PWD2 adds a little something in the mids.

 

Your D-hi is SE correct?  Would need an adapter with my pair.

 

Are you using stock cable and stock pads?  There is a difference sound when using a different cable with these.  Happy Camper and I noticed this when he got his new pair and after many hours of burn in.  

 

 

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Originally Posted by Hun7er View Post
 

 

Hello,

 

I feel the HD800 a bit more brigther and less enjoyable than my HE6 and HE60.

 

This is what I hear as well.  

 

Never heard the HE60.  But I wind the HE-6 has more weight in the mids and the female vocals sound the best when compared to the HD800s  To my ears the HE-6 has some of the best treble out there - for some reason I don't get any harsh or edgy sound with them.

 

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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

Eric,

Take them with your speaker tap adapter and make an appointment with http://www.audionexus.com/nl13_simaudio.shtml. Either take your Master 7 (my suggestion) or use one of the Simaudio DACs there. Give the I600 a spin. Mind you, it will be shocking price wise but it will give you a chance to hear just how well the HE "can" sound. It would be my end game rig but it's out of my realm of toys.

 

Moon 600i at $7999. Oh boy.  You and I both know what this bad boy can do with the HE-6.  Thus far to my ears this was the best I ever heard the HE-6 sound, regardless of price.

post #9821 of 14253
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

E,

I know you've been having this issue for a while now.  I'm going to have to send you my pair.  Hell that Odyssey should do the trick.  Really good amp.  Want to use them for my speaker rig.  

I also like the PWD2 pair with the HE-6 over the Master 7.  The PWD2 gives it more weight / punch / slam.  The Master 7 leans it out and does not add nothing - dead nuts neutral.  To my ears the PWD2 adds a little something in the mids.

Your D-hi is SE correct?  Would need an adapter with my pair.

Are you using stock cable and stock pads?  There is a difference sound when using a different cable with these.  Happy Camper and I noticed this when he got his new pair and after many hours of burn in.  

D,

I'm using the stock pads and stock cable on these. I didn't like the pleather pads at all. Maybe burn in is a factor. I forgot to mention that Head Direct replaced my old pair and this pair has probably 10 hours tops on it. I know you really like the Odyssey and if I ever find the time to bring my Maggie 3.7's back home (been at my pops place for a while) I'd discover what this amp can really do. If you want D I can send it to you for a couple of months and if you like it a lot I'll sell it to you for the same very good price I bought it for. I also spoke to Klaus and it can be upgraded to the Extreme pretty cheap. Anyway, we'll talk. If you wanted to swap HE6's I'd definitely be down. The damn memories of the Marantz a couple years back still haunts me as I thought it was the best sound I heard up to that point. I was really shell-shocked, but haven't had that since the Marantz got sick.
post #9822 of 14253
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

E,

 

I know you've been having this issue for a while now.  I'm going to have to send you my pair.  Hell that Odyssey should do the trick.  Really good amp.  Want to use them for my speaker rig.  

 

Yeah this can help resolve the issue for sure, especially since yours is hardwired as well.

 

I also like the PWD2 pair with the HE-6 over the Master 7.  The PWD2 gives it more weight / punch / slam.  The Master 7 leans it out and does not add nothing - dead nuts neutral.  To my ears the PWD2 adds a little something in the mids.

 

Correct, I don't think the issue would be his DAC either. That's why I'm thinking the preamp is a mismatch for his system.

 

 

This is what I hear as well.  

 

Never heard the HE60.  But I wind the HE-6 has more weight in the mids and the female vocals sound the best when compared to the HD800s  To my ears the HE-6 has some of the best treble out there - for some reason I don't get any harsh or edgy sound with them.

 

Me either. The treble seems to just float by like a gentle breeze on my ear, unlike the direct radiation of the HD800. I dont know how else to explain it.

 

post #9823 of 14253
post #9824 of 14253

Looks pretty cheap quality wise to me.

post #9825 of 14253
It's usually a bad sign when they don't include proper binding posts.
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