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post #9706 of 19433
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post
 

Haha yes very true. Hey, even if they aren't top tier 20 years from now, atleast you could rip out the solid gold drivers for a nice sum of cash :tongue:

About the gold, is it trace amounts? I never understood why Fang Bian decided to use gold in the HE6 instead of aluminum like the HE500. It certainly makes the HE6 feel top tier/flagship. Anything with gold added in the description seems to have that effect. 

post #9707 of 19433
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I think Ray Samules released a new portable that should drive the HE-6. http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/intruder

I saw the Intruder in RMAF but did not listen to it. I did listen to the smaller brother the F-35 Lightning driving the LCD-3 and the sound was very impressive. I am thinking in buying the Intruder because of the additional USB DAC.

post #9708 of 19433
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

About the gold, is it trace amounts? I never understood why Fang Bian decided to use gold in the HE6 instead of aluminum like the HE500. It certainly makes the HE6 feel top tier/flagship. Anything with gold added in the description seems to have that effect. 

That's a good question, I'm really not sure just how much gold is in the HE-6. Here's a nice pic of it though. I don't really know the exact reasoning behind using gold (aside from being immune to oxidization), but using gold for sound has been used since the ancient times. It must give off a better tonality i suppose.


Edited by brunk - 10/18/13 at 12:32pm
post #9709 of 19433
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post
 

I saw the Intruder in RMAF but did not listen to it. I did listen to the smaller brother the F-35 Lightning driving the LCD-3 and the sound was very impressive. I am thinking in buying the Intruder because of the additional USB DAC.

If you buy the intruder please report back. I am weary on dropping that amount of cash with no specs written for it on Samuel's site and with no impressions on it paired with the HE6.

 

Brunk, it must be partly the reason why the HE6 is so hard to drive. I blame the gold.  

post #9710 of 19433
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post

Brunk, it must be partly the reason why the HE6 is so hard to drive. I blame the gold.  

Yes for sure, gold is extremely dense.

post #9711 of 19433
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

That's true, but there seems to be Stax sets at least a decade old that sound top tier. I'm hoping that the HE6 sounds so good that in 20 years even if its price drops (as old tech usually does), it will still be cans to consider tier 1. I guess I'm looking for the planar version of the HD600/650 basically where in 20 years, they are still the talk of the town. I guess you can't really predict that sort of quality though since even most other cans that sound so good are seldom talked about after the "next model/flagship" arrives. 

No doubt the HE-6 will sound good 20 years from now, but it doesn't carry the same hype the HD600s have. I really don't get why its name doesn't carry the same "merit" as the HD800 which even non-audiophiles seem to recognize.

 

Anyway, it doesn't matter as those that have heard this with proper gear will know this is a truly top tier headphone. They simply won't get why you will have a big smile on your face every time you have these on.

post #9712 of 19433
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

About the gold, is it trace amounts? I never understood why Fang Bian decided to use gold in the HE6 instead of aluminum like the HE500. It certainly makes the HE6 feel top tier/flagship. Anything with gold added in the description seems to have that effect. 


Having disassembled the driver from the housing, I saw that it's one whole sheet of gold (24k?) foil sandwiched between two huge, powerful magnets.

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Pics please .....

AlD
post #9714 of 19433
It's not solid gold AFAIK. The reason for using gold is that it can be used in extremely thin coats. Gold is heavy and not very magnetic. This is most likely an important part of the reason why HE-6 has so low sensitivity.
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Having disassembled the driver from the housing, I saw that it's one whole sheet of gold (24k?) foil sandwiched between two huge, powerful magnets.

 

Wait... besides the DIYer in you, what was the motivation again? :normal_smile :

post #9716 of 19433
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It's not solid gold AFAIK. The reason for using gold is that it can be used in extremely thin coats. Gold is heavy and not very magnetic. This is most likely an important part of the reason why HE-6 has so low sensitivity.

 

I believe Tyll said at some point said the gold due to the malleable qualities of gold. 

post #9717 of 19433
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Originally Posted by elwappo99 View Post
 

 

I believe Tyll said at some point said the gold due to the malleable qualities of gold. 

I'm not a chemist, but that seems correct because that's the only thing gold is better than other cheaper metals at. I'm not sure why the HE6 is the only planar to use gold though, that's the real question. 

post #9718 of 19433
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

I'm not a chemist, but that seems correct because that's the only thing gold is better than other cheaper metals at. I'm not sure why the HE6 is the only planar to use gold though, that's the real question. 

Perhaps it's low sensitivity is due to the gold trace.

I'm not sure any other manufacturers want to go the HE-6 route in that regards...

post #9719 of 19433
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Originally Posted by LarsHP View Post

It's not solid gold AFAIK. The reason for using gold is that it can be used in extremely thin coats. Gold is heavy and not very magnetic. This is most likely an important part of the reason why HE-6 has so low sensitivity.

+1, I also think that's the reason.  Gold foil can be made crazy thin and it's chemically inert for all intents and purposes within a headphone context.  The only major improvement I can see is in improving the sensitivity (well that and perhaps bringing the treble down a touch).  I haven't heard the top Stax cans but if HifiMan manages to improve sensitivity while retaining the overall sound signature they definitely have a potential HD-800 killer.  They tried before...and ended up with the HE-500, not a bad place to get stuck.  Except for soundstage they already sound better than the HD-800 to my ears and that's not just true for the HE-6 but also for the HE-500 with certain types of music.  Anyway, it'll stay a niche market, not too many people around who'll gladly drop >1000 USD for a pair of cans, to say nothing about the thousands most of us have invested in a DAC/Amplification etc.  Looks might also be improved upon though I have to say the rather industrial looks (screw in cable connectors, cable, design) are attractive to me and my initial greatest worry (wearer comfort) has turned out not to be a problem as they fit me well and the weight really isn't an issue to me once I got used to it, even during extended sessions.  Have them on now, listening to the Boccherini cello concertos and am simply in awe of their performance.

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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

 

Wait... besides the DIYer in you, what was the motivation again? :normal_smile :


I had some channel imbalance for awhile. Initially I thought it was from oxidized cables, but after I swapped cables it remained. So I took the driver out of the housing to check. I realize the foam under the earpads had started to break apart and seemed to have physically hindered the driver a bit. I used to canned air to blow at the membrane and realized HOLY CRAP it's a whole sheet!!! I had thought it was just trace amounts of gold laid out in a pattern, but examining the cut-away from the driver, it's obvious that 2 magnets sandwich this beautiful gold foil.

 

I would never dare to unscrew the screws that hold the driver securely down. Tyll mentioned it would permanently break the driver as the magnets are too strong to be realigned after.

 

Anyway, it makes perfect sense why the HE-6 requires such a powerful amp since gold is such a dense metal. It would be difficult for the magnets to "pull/push" the membrane quickly. At least I think that's how an ortho works.

 

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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

+1, I also think that's the reason.  Gold foil can be made crazy thin and it's chemically inert for all intents and purposes within a headphone context.  The only major improvement I can see is in improving the sensitivity (well that and perhaps bringing the treble down a touch).  I haven't heard the top Stax cans but if HifiMan manages to improve sensitivity while retaining the overall sound signature they definitely have a potential HD-800 killer.  They tried before...and ended up with the HE-500, not a bad place to get stuck.  Except for soundstage they already sound better than the HD-800 to my ears and that's not just true for the HE-6 but also for the HE-500 with certain types of music.  Anyway, it'll stay a niche market, not too many people around who'll gladly drop >1000 USD for a pair of cans, to say nothing about the thousands most of us have invested in a DAC/Amplification etc.  Looks might also be improved upon though I have to say the rather industrial looks (screw in cable connectors, cable, design) are attractive to me and my initial greatest worry (wearer comfort) has turned out not to be a problem as they fit me well and the weight really isn't an issue to me once I got used to it, even during extended sessions.  Have them on now, listening to the Boccherini cello concertos and am simply in awe of their performance.

 

Yup! Gold is very malleable! If you heard of Rutherford's gold foil experiment, he hammered a gold foil until it was see-through.

 

I would argue the treble on the HE-6 is absolutely perfect. I actually hope the next flagship is less sensitive so we require even more powerful amps. Even higher potential!


Edited by ohhgourami - 10/18/13 at 5:05pm
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