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post #9676 of 14051

As you can see, the temptation :veryevil: to turn up the volume for the HE-6 is a strong one.

post #9677 of 14051
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As you can see, the temptation :veryevil: to turn up the volume for the HE-6 is a strong one.

i have now problems in  my ears for this reason

post #9678 of 14051
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Question for you fraternity guys - can any of you comment on the bass of these beauties vs say a Denon D7000 (in other words a dynamic driver)?  I'm trying to get a sense of the real capabilities of a planar headphone with regards to bass and seems the HE-6 is THE best. 


Haven't heard the Denon D7000, but I have heard both the 5000 and the 2000. To me the HE-6 and LCD-2 is in a different league in terms of clarity/transparency and also bass quality. The Denons has a quite even frequency response and sound nice if you don't have one of the planars to compare it, but when you switch to the planars it's wow!

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I own the following to compare given all driven with the same dac audio gd m7 and amps are M8 and woo wes. The headphones hd800 , he6, stax009 and last lcd3. First off the lcd3 are great for older recordings or extended listening like at the office. After that all three are within 90 % of each other each haveing there strong and week points. They are all great top tear in there own wright.
post #9680 of 14051
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Haven't heard the Denon D7000, but I have heard both the 5000 and the 2000. To me the HE-6 and LCD-2 is in a different league in terms of clarity/transparency and also bass quality. The Denons has a quite even frequency response and sound nice if you don't have one of the planars to compare it, but when you switch to the planars it's wow!

Got the same reaction when switching the TH-600 for the HE-5LE. As good and enjoyable the Fostex is, the midrange is not even comparable! 

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I own the HE-6, HD-800, DT-880 (600 Ohm) and am currently testing/reviewing the HE-500.  All are driven by a Violectric V800/V200 dac/amp combo.  There's a clear gap between the DT-880 and the other cans, other than that they all have their strengths and weaknesses but are all very, very good in their own right.

 

I listen to classical music (instrumental/vocal) and a bit of jazz, can't say anything about other genres.  The HD-800 are the clear winners as far as soundstage are concerned, which is a good thing when listening to large orchestral performances but less so for small ensembles and jazz.  They're VERY resolving, again an advantage with well recorded music but their displaying any and all anomalies can drive a listener to distraction.  For instance, yesterday I was listening to the Gieseking broadcast recitals, all recorded between 1949-1951 with the technical limitations that go with period recordings.  Had to stop and switch to the HE-500, the Senns were driving me to distraction.

 

The HE-6 is in a league of its own and I personally feel that for me, these are the best cans of 'em all in absolute terms, trumping the HD-800 on all fronts except soundstage.  But a major issue are the monster amping requirements due to their inefficiency.  Other than that they're virtually perfect.

 

Price/quality wise the HE-500 look like the clear winners:  less demanding in amping requirements and an absolutely beautiful, involving sound that pairs very well with my DAC/AMP, is just slightly warm with a slightly advanced midstage and beautifully rounded bass.  In terms of sheer performance I feel these take you to within 95%  of a pair of well-driven HE-6 but don't require a monster amp, cost 500 EUR less and project a more intimate soundstage that goes very well with more intimate music and vocals.  Also a lot more forgiving of less than optimal recording quality than the HD-800 and HE-6.  I have been lent a pair to try them for a week and guess these are my next acquisitions.  I haven't auditioned the LCD2 but from what I hear they're the closest competitors.

 

Can't compare with the Denons as I haven't heard them but to me the planars do offer a different kind of sound vs a dynamic headphone and it's a signature that I like very much.

post #9682 of 14051

Xenophone, would you say that the HE6 and the HE500 have noticeable different soundstage and imaging? If you had to guess which can you were listening to with your eyes closed and you only had to go by the soundstage and imaging qualities, would you be able to distinguish the two? I am going to probably end up with either the HE6 or HE500 and the main reason I want the HE6 is because I don't want that nagging feeling of not having the flagship/next up the line when you have the "second best." Call me a fanatic, but that's why I haven't pulled the trigger yet. 

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Xenophone, would you say that the HE6 and the HE500 have noticeable different soundstage and imaging? If you had to guess which can you were listening to with your eyes closed and you only had to go by the soundstage and imaging qualities, would you be able to distinguish the two? I am going to probably end up with either the HE6 or HE500 and the main reason I want the HE6 is because I don't want that nagging feeling of not having the flagship/next up the line when you have the "second best." Call me a fanatic, but that's why I haven't pulled the trigger yet. 

 

I can answer that: the answer is a definite YES.

I don't own the 500s anymore but I have the 5LEs alongside the 6s. The 5LEs already throw a slightly bigger soundstage (less intimate, less forward mids and more treble energy) but the 6s are on a different scale.

I used to love the NFB-27 + SA-31 with the 5LEs because both the Audio-GD produce a big soundstage. When I switched over to the 6s, the soundstage became too big (too wide to be precise, the depth is not the Hifiman's strong point, even if it's not bad by any means).

 

If I had to give a number for the improvement (which I never do, but here it's probably suited), I'd say the soundstage is ~20/30% larger on the 6s.

That's the biggest difference I notice immediatly (that plus the more resolving nature).

 

My $0.02

post #9684 of 14051
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I can answer that: the answer is a definite YES.

I don't own the 500s anymore but I have the 5LEs alongside the 6s. The 5LEs already throw a slightly bigger soundstage (less intimate, less forward mids and more treble energy) but the 6s are on a different scale.

I used to love the NFB-27 + SA-31 with the 5LEs because both the Audio-GD produce a big soundstage. When I switched over to the 6s, the soundstage became too big (too wide to be precise, the depth is not the Hifiman's strong point, even if it's not bad by any means).

 

If I had to give a number for the improvement (which I never do, but here it's probably suited), I'd say the soundstage is ~20/30% larger on the 6s.

That's the biggest difference I notice immediatly (that plus the more resolving nature).

 

My $0.02

Well that settles it, there's no going back now. 

 

I was considering the HE500s, but I don't see why now if they will always play second fiddle to the 6. Only thing that bothers me slightly is at least the HE500s could have been powered by a portable amp if you wanted to listen to them around the house or somewhere quiet, but it's out of the question to move from the speaker amp set up with the HE6s. 


Edited by goldenSHK - 10/17/13 at 5:43pm
post #9685 of 14051

I think Ray Samules released a new portable that should drive the HE-6. http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/intruder

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Well that settles it, there's no going back now. 

 

I was considering the HE500s, but I don't see why now if they will always play second fiddle to the 6. Only thing that bothers me slightly is at least the HE500s could have been powered by a portable amp if you wanted to listen to them around the house or somewhere quiet, but it's out of the question to move from the speaker amp set up with the HE6s. 

 

If you don't plan on using the HE-6 with a adequate headphone/speaker amp, you won't get the full benefit of the $600 premium you paid for them over the HE-500.

 

The 500s are so much easier to drive (but not so easy, by normal headphone standard) and have a warmth in them that can make you prefer them over the big brothers.

The mids on the 500s are to die for, the well rounded (and slightly bloomy) bass and the soft treble makes it a very good all-rounder, quite forgiving of poor materials (hello older blues/rock!) and always a pleasing experience, even out of the USB-powered Fostex HP-A3. It's never offending.

 

The 6s are (much?) more difficult to make sound right. I mean, even my 10Wpc SA-31 could not get rid of the slightly splashy treble.

I just got the EF-6 and I can already say it does a much better job at driving the 6s!

Note that the transport is completely different:

- I'm on a iMac now, in the US. 

- I used to use either a Squeezebox Touch or a laptop back when I was in France (>1 week ago), and I new something was kind of wrong with either setup (maybe power related).

 

Regardless, the tonality is different between the 2 and if you already find the 500s borderline bright (on your setup), then consider changing the whole setup if you want to try the 6s.

post #9687 of 14051

Wotts, wow I'm really interested in that. I hope by "can power the HE6" they mean it can honestly power it as well as a speaker amp (I'm considering the TBI Millenia and Topping T22). It's a pretty hefty price tag so it better. 

 

Clemmaster, I think since it's so obvious that the HE6s are better, I should just invest either in another flagship can that can be powered fully or go fully all the way with the HE6. Correct me if I'm wrong but, the HE500 never was and is the flagship correct? 

post #9688 of 14051
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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

Wotts, wow I'm really interested in that. I hope by "can power the HE6" they mean it can honestly power it as well as a speaker amp (I'm considering the TBI Millenia and Topping T22). It's a pretty hefty price tag so it better. 

 

Clemmaster, I think since it's so obvious that the HE6s are better, I should just invest either in another flagship can that can be powered fully or go fully all the way with the HE6. Correct me if I'm wrong but, the HE500 never was and is the flagship correct? 

 

The 500s never were no.

But a lot of users actually preferred it over the HE-6 thanks to (or because of) its more pleasing voicing.

Also, "back in the days" there weren't many amp on the market capable of doing the 6s full justice. People started to look back at the 6s when the whole speaker amp journey started to blossom here.

 

I would never argue with someone preferring the 500s. I would start to argue when someone says it is the better headphone (objectively - so voicing aside - the 6s are technically the better headphone for sure).

 

If you can go all the way up to a Studio Six + Audeze LCD-3/X, you'd probably never regret it. But, you're journey would have been quite short and you probably wouldn't come on Head-fi anymore (you'd get a life then...).

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Originally Posted by goldenSHK View Post
 

Wotts, wow I'm really interested in that. I hope by "can power the HE6" they mean it can honestly power it as well as a speaker amp (I'm considering the TBI Millenia and Topping T22). It's a pretty hefty price tag so it better.

 

Clemmaster, I think since it's so obvious that the HE6s are better, I should just invest either in another flagship can that can be powered fully or go fully all the way with the HE6. Correct me if I'm wrong but, the HE500 never was and is the flagship correct?

 

I tend to believe Ray. When he came to a meet with the Dark Star, I was very impressed. If anyone can make a portable that powerful, I know he can. As for battery life, I don't know.

 

The Emotiva Mini-X a-100 is on sale right now for $169 for a while, for anyone interested. I've seen it mentioned here as a possible HE-6 amp.

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I tend to believe Ray. When he came to a meet with the Dark Star, I was very impressed. If anyone can make a portable that powerful, I know he can. As for battery life, I don't know.

 

The Emotiva Mini-X a-100 is on sale right now for $169 for a while, for anyone interested. I've seen it mentioned here as a possible HE-6 amp.

I'm tempted to give it a shot. So right now, it's the TBI Millenia or this. I'd really like to try both before I buy, but that might not be doable unless I go to a head fi meet. 

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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

 

The 500s never were no.

But a lot of users actually preferred it over the HE-6 thanks to (or because of) its more pleasing voicing.

Also, "back in the days" there weren't many amp on the market capable of doing the 6s full justice. People started to look back at the 6s when the whole speaker amp journey started to blossom here.

 

I would never argue with someone preferring the 500s. I would start to argue when someone says it is the better headphone (objectively - so voicing aside - the 6s are technically the better headphone for sure).

 

If you can go all the way up to a Studio Six + Audeze LCD-3/X, you'd probably never regret it. But, you're journey would have been quite short and you probably wouldn't come on Head-fi anymore (you'd get a life then...).

Trust me, the way I am OCD about this stuff, I have a feeling even after I get something endgame-ish (LCD3/X/HE6 + amp), I'd still be around head fi looking at Stax and other higher end stuff that I'd be drooling over. It's a sickness, the gear obsession. I'm crossing my fingers that after this, I'll be content for awhile at least which I'm confident I can be.  

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