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K3cT, do you have the JH13s? If so would you be able to do a similar comparison?

 

Thanks for that review, by the way. I kind of figured what the result would be, however.


No, unfortunately. I only listened to the JH13 universal demo version once and I knew instantly that its midbass was slightly boosted. Tonality-wise, I would thought that it's closer to the HE6 than the LCD2 actually. 

 



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Thanks for an ample set of organised and accurate thoughts Brian.

 

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- If the HE6 is the clear victor when it comes to treble then the LCD2 knocks the HE6 silly in imaging, separation and soundstage accuracy. First of all, I always have a problem in hearing a proper center focus with the HE6 which is incidentally similar to the HE5LE. Imagine that the music lies in a straight line from your left to right ear; if the line is continuous and clear in the LCD2 then this very same line is blurred in the midpoint of the HE6. This fault is more clearly heard when you have vocal and instruments playing at the same time.  Aside from the central focus issue, HE6 also has an imaging problem as the instrument placements are kind of “confused” for the lack of better words and as the result, you cannot tell exactly where each sound is coming from. Expanding on this, HE6’s presentation also lacks depth compared to the LCD2. Instruments seem to lie in the same axis in the HE6 while you can tell how forward or backward teach of them sounds with the LCD2 despite its rather soft treble. HE6 has a problem in separating vocal and instruments while LCD2 does this effortlessly. All of these result in a rather disjointed sound from the HE6 and therefore, a lack of unity. Very interesting.

 

 

The problem persisted as I feared. When I was using the HE5 this was the main issue I had with it, as I have told you before. That characteristic of a "voice without the singer" seems to me like a great lack of refinement when much less expensive headphones like the K701 or HD600 are more cohesive in that matter. If you sit down to evaluate solely on pure tones and bandwidths of low, mid and high frequencies the HE5 and the rest of the family might seem great, but when you are dealing with music the cohesion between all frequencies becomes something like a "wall of sound". I know it is daring and beyond subjectiveness of me to say that the HE6 has this problem without even listening to it, but having heard the HE5 and having been told by many trusted ears that the problem persists, I dare, and subject.


Yes, exactly. Curiously the HD800 also exhibits this lack of focus although to a much lesser extent. 

 



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- The HE6 is a clear winner when we talk about the treble, no doubt about it. As I had mentioned earlier in this forum, the HE6's treble is as good as one can get in headphones with its extremely good detail retrieval, smoothness, presence and clarity. If you like treble then the HE6 is a clear choice for me. The LCD2's treble on the other hand sounds muted in comparison and it lacks the details and air that the HE6 imbues in this area. Clearly the treble (or the lack of it) is the LCD2's main weakness. Even the Stax O2 whose treble lacks the presence that the HE6 has, possesses more details in this area compared to the LCD2.

 


 If the HE6 is the clear victor when it comes to treble then the LCD2 knocks the HE6 silly in imaging, separation and soundstage accuracy. First of all, I always have a problem in hearing a proper center focus with the HE6 which is incidentally similar to the HE5LE. Imagine that the music lies in a straight line from your left to right ear; if the line is continuous and clear in the LCD2 then this very same line is blurred in the midpoint of the HE6. This fault is more clearly heard when you have vocal and instruments playing at the same time.  Aside from the central focus issue, HE6 also has an imaging problem as the instrument placements are kind of “confused” for the lack of better words and as the result, you cannot tell exactly where each sound is coming from. Expanding on this, HE6’s presentation also lacks depth compared to the LCD2. Instruments seem to lie in the same axis in the HE6 while you can tell how forward or backward teach of them sounds with the LCD2 despite its rather soft treble. HE6 has a problem in separating vocal and instruments while LCD2 does this effortlessly. All of these result in a rather disjointed sound from the HE6 and therefore, a lack of unity. Very interesting.


High freq is extremely important when talking about orientability of a sound signal. I am very confused when I saw these two paragraphs close to each other.


This is where I disagree, Fang. The Stax Omega2 also has a relaxed treble but its imaging is eerily accurate. 

 

Please don't get the impression that I dislike the HE6 as actually I rather adore it especially with its delicious treble but it's just not perfect yet. In fact, even the much vaunted O2 is also not perfect in this man's opinion. Definitely looking forward to the HE7 if you ever plan to release one. evil_smiley.gif

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Hi there smily_headphones1.gif

As you know, I received the HE-6 last week, and have spent a lot of time with them.
They were plugged on a Meier Concerto, same as the LCD-2.

So I will not only make a rewiew, but a comparison as well.

This is my first review in english, so be lenient...  [snip]


Great impressions, thanks!  (not going to repost your whole review, to save space)

 

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First of all, I apologize as I'm a bit late with the comparison. Usually Sundays are dedicated family time for me so I didn't have the chance to sit down and properly flesh out my thoughts until late in the night.

 

LCD2 and HE6 comparison

 

...[snip]...


Also good impressions, thanks.  In many places I agree with what you hear with all the phones you mentioned.

 

My feelings do differ from yours in a few places, as I find the HE-6 to clamp less tightly than my LCD-2 and are more comfortable to wear for longer periods of time.  I also don't feel the HE-6 have a nebulous, vague or confused sense of center stage.  I do agree that they are more forward and less laid back than the LCD-2, but I'm finding the imaging to be cohesive to my ears.  While the original HE-5 behaved a little like you described, to my ears this was improved in the HE-5 LE and HE-6.

 

Obviously the gear we are using can affect our impressions, and we all have different tastes and preferences as well that will affect things as well.

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This is where I disagree, Fang. The Stax Omega2 also has a relaxed treble but its imaging is eerily accurate. 

 

Please don't get the impression that I dislike the HE6 as actually I rather adore it especially with its delicious treble but it's just not perfect yet. In fact, even the much vaunted O2 is also not perfect in this man's opinion. Definitely looking forward to the HE7 if you ever plan to release one. evil_smiley.gif


STAX Omega's high extension is far better than the another headphones. Here we are talking about 1.35um diaphragm vs. about 7um diaphragm. STAX amp is so ugly that STAX omega and STAX amp combo give people a fake impression that their high is dark.

I do not understand how a pair veil high freq headphones can create a sharp image. To my knowledge it is impossible. Not to say they have one of the biggest driver in headphone world, which might conflict to the theory about point source and soundstage.


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On my gear I hear very good imaging for the most part. If you think of 12 o'clock being directly in front of you, I only start to encounter problems with imaging once you reach approximately 11 from the left side and 1 from the right side. The imaging for sounds presented from 8 to 11 and 4 to 1 is amazingly accurate. Even as you approach 12 from 11 and 1, the imaging is good, but the closer you get the more diffuse it becomes until at precisely 12, you have trouble pinpointing sources.

post #935 of 13023
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jeez... 200$ more AND adding shipping costs and NO LONGER throwing in the extras?

 

oh la la... do they come with a monthly fee too after Jan 15th?



what extras sokolov?

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jeez... 200$ more AND adding shipping costs and NO LONGER throwing in the extras?

 

oh la la... do they come with a monthly fee too after Jan 15th?



what extras sokolov?


wasn't that speaker box supposed to come standard? I could be wrong though :P

post #937 of 13023

it doesn't say anything on their site so I would think not

post #938 of 13023
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it doesn't say anything on their site so I would think not



this was talk before they were actually available as far as I am aware.

post #939 of 13023

Well hopefully its true, it would definitely raise the value of the preorder

post #940 of 13023
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Well hopefully its true, it would definitely raise the value of the preorder



as far as I am aware it is extra and they are currently being produced.

post #941 of 13023

Speaker connector will cost extra - available in December

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Yeah, I'm personally not hearing how the HE-6 is beaten handily by the LCD-2 in imaging and soundstage accuracy. At all. I do not find the HE-6 nebulous sounding in the center, nor do I find that instrument placement sounds confused.

 

I also agree with Fang about the O2 comment. The O2 is only "veiled" when listening to it under-amped like most people seem to do.

post #943 of 13023

This is very confusing. I read they images well, they don't image well in the center, the placement is good front to back, it isn't good front to back. ?? Is there a 6 to 6 variation here? I would really like to get some but I do like imaging and I don't like fuzzy or indistinct placement on upper end phones. 

post #944 of 13023

I can imagine the frustration of people who are trying to make up their minds on these headphones. I think this thread shows the relativistic tendencies of our hobby at their worst imo.

post #945 of 13023

Oh hai I'm one of those people sitting on the fence. It's ok though :p

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