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They leak noise as if there's a small speaker playing in your room! But behind closed doors, they do sound good when the volume is turned up a bit.

 

I'm still trying to get a handle on how to describe the HE-6 sound so it'll take a little bit more listening before I can make some observations and notes on these. They're a bit more comfortable than I thought, especially compared with the LCD-2s I tried a while back.

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I've done a reasonable amount of comparison between the HE-6 and HE-500. Differences in FR aside, to my ears the HE-6 is just a tad cleaner sounding. The leading edges on notes are more defined, the bass thumps more, and that wider treble shelf actually seems more benign to me than the narrower spike of the HE-500. These differences are all in the last few % though. If I hadn't already taken such a dive on customs/taxes/etc getting my HE-6 into Canada, I would have likely downgraded to the HE-500 by now.

 

Of note, I find the HE-6 responds better to modding than the HE-500. Right now my HE-6 sound a bit like a cross with an LCD-2. 

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So, am I to understand the HE-6 can sound fantastic generally at higher listening levels, but a tad polite and pedestrian at low listening levels? And the HD800 can sound fantastic, too, with no difference in performance from low-to-higher listening levels?

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Originally Posted by Hun7er View Post

 

Hello,

 

I have tried my audiomat prelude reference 30 wpc using the 4 ohm tap with my WOO WEE and Sennheiser HE60. The sound is sligtly more relaxed and tame that brightness that I didn't like. Thank you for the tweak, very appreciate.

 

Good! So there is an effect, though your setup is very different than mine. This can also vary with different amps.

With the HE-6 being a purely resistive load and its impedance does not vary with frequency across the audio band, I believe the effect is easily discernible. This effect can be easily heard with cymbals like a slight reduction in shimmer. But is it a reduction or just a cleaner reproduction?

I don't know. I like the effect on piano, to me there is less smearing between notes and keys.

post #8960 of 15369
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Here is my hesitation with the HE-6...

 

On paper they look super bright, inefficient and a step behind the HE-500 in every way.  In 'pro' reviews the subjective impression is more of the same.  HE-6 is good but the HE-500 is the better of the two

 

That's the problem right there. The HE6 is impossible to assess "on paper".

 

 

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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

 

The 6 is better than the 500 in everyway; be it plugged in the crappy output of my dac, or into a cheapo T-amp, or in some huge ass speaker amp.

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The 500 is more efficient so I'd expect to see a better fr curve with common amps. Put the HE-6 on a proper amp and then run the same plot. This is a case of using science to make an impression. Not necessarily the right conclusion but the one desired. IMO, the 500s are not a better sounding product compared to the 6s.

I've listened to the same headphones prepro did on my home rig. Value is another issue but for sound purity, the 6s was the best of the HEs.

 

These are more like the consensus opinions that I have read most often.

 

 

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Will reiterate... on paper ;)  On paper

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To be fair, I do keep saying ON PAPER.

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That said, if you read the posts following those graphs, he says the HE-6 is bright 

 

For some reason it seems the word "bright" is a bad thing.  

 

Yes, the HE-6, HD800 are bright headphones.  That does not make them a bad headphone.  IMO bright means airy, openness and space.    All what I like and prefer as opposed to dark and closed.

 

A bright headphone still can be neutral.

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I totally agree with Rob on the HE6 treble not sounding harsh when properly driven. Just that there's too much of it (and in relation to the mids/bass) for my liking.

 

I recently traded/sold off what I consider to be my bright headphones, the bass-light K1000 and the HD800, the latter was my second try and had more body than the first HD800 I owned; I really feel like I got them right the second time around but they still had to go. I enjoyed both of these headphones quite a bit, but that enjoyment was limited by a lack of bass quantity in both cases. Neither of these had any unacceptable treble spikes to my ears like the 325i or the HE5 did. But the lack of bass quantity spoiled for me what were some really great and uniquely enjoyable features, namely the soundstage of the HD800 and the natural crossfeed of the K1000.

 

These two headphones went toward the acquisition of an SR009 and a PS1000, two very different headphones indeed. The 009 has a unique combination of soundstage and ambiance, with extreme extension and smoothness, combined with proper dynamics, perfect neutrality and musicality; no other headphone has come close for me in all of these areas together.

 

The PS1K does have great soundstage combined with a decidedly un-neutral (what I consider a fun, u-shaped) signature, but for myself at least its active treble is balanced out with an impactful bass response which provides for a very musical and enjoyable listening experience. My only complaints with the PS1K are ergonomic; in a straight comparison with the HD800 I find it to be less picky about amplification and a more enjoyable listen. While dynamics an musicality go to the Grados, the mids, comfort, build quality, and ergonomics go to the Sennies. Detail retrieval is excellent on both of these headphones.

 

I hear the HE6 as having a less active but equally extended treble response as both the HD800 and the PS1K, but this is balanced out by a very extended bass response and full mids which makes the HE6 perfectly neutral like the 009 to my ears. Where the HE6 falls short compared to the 009 is in musicality, soundstage/ambiance, and physical comfort/build quality. In fact, the 009 is the only headphone where I feel compelled to add the word ambiance to the term soundstage, that's how perfect it is. But if it didn't exist the HE6 would be the most perfect headphone I have spent any quality time with.

 

 

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No offense to purrin but he uses a correction curve based on his speakers matched by ear and doesn't follow a process.

 

All the graphs are flawed then and need to be taken with many grains of salt. Purrin's because of what you are saying is a lack of proper scientific objectivity and process, but at least he is amping the headphones properly -- which Headroom and IF are not so we don't really have a proper frame of reference "on paper". But I will go with Purrin's graphs because they are at least relative to each other, which is all we can hope for with headphone graphs anyways.

 

 

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Yes, I liked the HE-6 / EF-6 combo very much. And the HE-6 are also terrific from a powerful vintage amp. Love them with my big Pioneer.

But I've liked the HE-6 with quite a number of different amps. I've also heard them suffer from being underpowered, but properly amped they are about as good as it gets.

 

I remember your impressions of the HE6 before you heard them with an amp that "agrees" with them... they were not flattering cool.gif

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All the graphs are flawed then and need to be taken with many grains of salt. Purrin's because of what you are saying is a lack of proper scientific objectivity and process, but at least he is amping the headphones properly -- which Headroom and IF are not so we don't really have a proper frame of reference "on paper". But I will go with Purrin's graphs because they are at least relative to each other, which is all we can hope for with headphone graphs anyways.

 

First thanks for the impressions.

 

With that out of the way... purrin's graphs aren't relative to each other.  That's the problem.  He uses different amps, dacs, placement etc depending on what he has on hand and what he's trying to get out of the experiment.  Don't get me wrong, I still look at them.  The HD and CSD graphs are gold assuming you read the preface for any odd setup.  The LCD-3 being the easy example.  It was done OFF the head no coupling to highlight the ringing.  But when you are using anything from an O2 to a vintage receiver with 680ohm output impedance... don't tell me everything is amped properly ;)  The HE-6 though was amped by the BA so roughly 1W on tap.  That said, purrin isn't doing this professionally but for personal curiousity.  I don't expect anything and I certainly don't bitch that he releases it for the world.  He could just keep it to himself, no foul.

 

Tyll uses the same setup and process for everything and includes the raw so if nothing else you could ignore the compensation curve and just compare raw measurements.

 

You guys keep nearly tipping me over the edge.  Just not sure if it's to the HE-6 or the big 'ah f$%k it!' to the 009 ;)

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That's the problem right there. The HE6 is impossible to assess "on paper".

 

 

 

These are more like the consensus opinions that I have read most often.

 

 

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I recently traded/sold off what I consider to be my bright headphones, the bass-light K1000 and the HD800, the latter was my second try and had more body than the first HD800 I owned; I really feel like I got them right the second time around but they still had to go. I enjoyed both of these headphones quite a bit, but that enjoyment was limited by a lack of bass quantity in both cases. Neither of these had any unacceptable treble spikes to my ears like the 325i or the HE5 did. But the lack of bass quantity spoiled for me what were some really great and uniquely enjoyable features, namely the soundstage of the HD800 and the natural crossfeed of the K1000.

 

These two headphones went toward the acquisition of an SR009 and a PS1000, two very different headphones indeed. The 009 has a unique combination of soundstage and ambiance, with extreme extension and smoothness, combined with proper dynamics, perfect neutrality and musicality; no other headphone has come close for me in all of these areas together.

 

The PS1K does have great soundstage combined with a decidedly un-neutral (what I consider a fun, u-shaped) signature, but for myself at least its active treble is balanced out with an impactful bass response which provides for a very musical and enjoyable listening experience. My only complaints with the PS1K are ergonomic; in a straight comparison with the HD800 I find it to be less picky about amplification and a more enjoyable listen. While dynamics an musicality go to the Grados, the mids, comfort, build quality, and ergonomics go to the Sennies. Detail retrieval is excellent on both of these headphones.

 

I hear the HE6 as having a less active but equally extended treble response as both the HD800 and the PS1K, but this is balanced out by a very extended bass response and full mids which makes the HE6 perfectly neutral like the 009 to my ears. Where the HE6 falls short compared to the 009 is in musicality, soundstage/ambiance, and physical comfort/build quality. In fact, the 009 is the only headphone where I feel compelled to add the word ambiance to the term soundstage, that's how perfect it is. But if it didn't exist the HE6 would be the most perfect headphone I have spent any quality time with.

 

 

 

All the graphs are flawed then and need to be taken with many grains of salt. Purrin's because of what you are saying is a lack of proper scientific objectivity and process, but at least he is amping the headphones properly -- which Headroom and IF are not so we don't really have a proper frame of reference "on paper". But I will go with Purrin's graphs because they are at least relative to each other, which is all we can hope for with headphone graphs anyways.

 

 

 

I remember your impressions of the HE6 before you heard them with an amp that "agrees" with them... they were not flattering cool.gif

 

Just one thing, I have always found that the HD800s have more bass than the HE-6s (speaker amps included). Quality wise, the HE-6's bass is outstanding and very strong. 

 

With regards to Silent One's comments, TOTALLY agreed that orthos (LCD-2/3 and HE-500/6) sound better turned up and can be too polite at lower listening levels.


Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/23/13 at 1:15pm
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With regards to Silent One's comments, TOTALLY agreed that orthos (LCD-2/3 and HE-500/6) sound better turned up and can be too polite at lower listening levels.

 

Unfortunately that is the best way to listen to these planars, loud. biggrin.gif

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Unfortunately that is the best way to listen to these planars, loud. biggrin.gif

I totally agree. Many who don't like them I bet never get them to about 80-85dB to wear they really get their legs under them and really take off.

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With respect to this thread being discussions about the HE-6, I too, am on the fence about my next premium cans. When living arrangements permit, I see the $2,000 threshold as Speaker territory, personally. And would go vintage or save up for something worthy there, with headphones between $1,000-$1,500 serving as a compliment.

 

Recent comments have moved me to ask:

 

- Does the SR-009 have both Bass and Slam, one or the other?

- Does the HD800 lose anything at low listening levels?

- @ MacedonianHero: are you saying the HD800 (in your experience) have a greater quantity of Bass, but the HE-6 has the edge in quality?

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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

With respect to this thread being discussions about the HE-6, I too, am on the fence about my next premium cans. When living arrangements permit, I see the $2,000 threshold as Speaker territory, personally. And would go vintage or save up for something worthy there, with headphones between $1,000-$1,500 serving as a compliment.

 

Recent comments have moved me to ask:

 

- Does the SR-009 have both Bass and Slam, one or the other?

- Does the HD800 lose anything at low listening levels?

- @ MacedonianHero: are you saying the HD800 (in your experience) have a greater quantity of Bass, but the HE-6 has the edge in quality?

The SR-009s bring the bass and slam and control and detail and texturing and, and, and..... smile.gif

 

I feel that the HD800s are outstanding at lower listening levels (especially when compared to orthos like the HE-6/500 or LCD-2/3).

 

I would say that for dynamics (maybe the LCD-3s are tied or a wee bit better here), the HD800s have the best bass quality out there. The HE-6's have outstanding bass quality (as do the HE-500s), but to my ears I think the HD-800s are really special. 

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

 

Just one thing, I have always found that the HD800s have more bass than the HE-6s (speaker amps included). 

 

 

Not I said the cat...  

 

Those speaker amps you used must been sick or something,,  lol..  The HE-6 sure can kick.  I remember before I got the PWD  Shahrose said the HE-6 with a proper amp nad DAC produces more bass than the LCD-3.  This was with his Dynahi and Ref. 7.1.  

 

I still think the LCD-3 are the bass quantity kings.  IMO both bass quantity and overall bass quality goes to the HE-6.  I can really get this things to kick deep and tight.  The HD800s are good as well just not as good in the bass quantity section.  Great i the bass quality though.

 

Over all Bass Quantity:

LCD-3

HE-6

HD800

 

Overall Bass Quality:

HD-6

HD800

LCD-3

 

You just need a really good quality amp to get it out of the HE-6s - it's there, it just has to be brought out.  The higher the amp makes the headphones scale the better the bass gets..

 

Just one guys opinion.  


Edited by preproman - 6/23/13 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post
 

 

The SR-009s bring the bass and slam and control and detail and texturing and, and, and..... smile.gif

 

 

Well, I had been looking for ways to save on Auto Insurance. Perhaps, I could get someone to buy my car...

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Today's comments are gnawing at me "Pssst! Get the Stax. Get the STAX!!! R-i-g-h-t, but how confused.gif I enjoy Lust & evil_smiley.gif Desire as much as the rest of you. This could take rolleyes.gif a while.

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Not I said the cat...  

 

Those speaker amps you used must been sick or something,,  lol..  The HE-6 sure can kick.  I remember before I got the PWD  Shahrose said the HE-6 with a proper amp nad DAC produces more bass than the LCD-3.  This was with his Dynahi and Ref. 7.1.  

 

I still think the LCD-3 are the bass quantity kings.  IMO both bass quantity and overall bass quality goes to the HE-6.  I can really get this things to kick deep and tight.  The HD800s are good as well just not as good in the bass quantity section.  Great i the bass quality though.

 

Over all Bass Quantity:

LCD-3

HE-6

HD800

 

Overall Bass Quality:

HD-6

HD800

LCD-3

 

You just need a really good quality amp to get it out of the HE-6s - it's there, it just has to be brought out.  The higher the amp makes the headphones scale the better the bass gets..

 

Just one guys opinion.  

Sorry Darryl, I'll have to disagree here. I've heard the HE-6s on several great Class A speaker amps (McIntosh...about $10k worth and a great NAD and Bryston amp) and I agree that they kick, though may not go as deep as the LCD-3s. 

 

I would rank them this way:

 

Bass Quantity:

TH-900

LCD-3

HD800

HE-6

(but the differences between the HD800s and HE-6s isn't very big)


Bass Quality:

LCD-3 = HD800

TH-900

HE-6

Pretty much every other dynamic/ortho headphone falls after this point.

 

(but the HE-6's bass quality is still outstanding as I mentioned and one of the 5 best I've heard that aren't called the SR-009s).


Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/23/13 at 2:01pm
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Happy Camper - what's you thoughts on this?  

 

Peter and I always disagree on this.  We agree on just about everything else.   But it does seem like we have similar taste 

 

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