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post #8941 of 14264
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

But overall the HE-6 has the flatter response, and sounds more neutral.

I still maintain the HE-6's treble only sounds in any way harsh if its not properly amped. 
 
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

Captain Dark likes the HE-6?  Sadly that's interesting to me.  Hmm.

 

All on the EF-6 or some kind of vintage amp I presume..  

 

Ha..  I'm borrowing the EF-6 from a very cool head fi member.  It will get here sometime in the next week or so.  Fun times ahead..

post #8942 of 14264
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

No offense to purrin but he uses a correction curve based on his speakers matched by ear and doesn't follow a process.  Ie for the LCD-3 he did free air measurements to highlight a flaw.

That said, if you read the posts following those graphs, he says the HE-6 is bright and that the HE-500 could be used for production.  So um ya.  Use Tyll's or for ease the HeadRoom one's which have been updated with Tyll's data.



Two things to keep in mind.  The HE-500 track in 10-20KHz like the HE-6 but the one side dipped and HeadRoom used that side.  Equally the HE-6 follows the HE-500 from 10-30Hz but again they side used the dipped side.  What is consistent is the treble shelf if cut in half on the HE-500.





And here the HE-500 is cleaner in the mids, has better sustain down low and less overshoot.



Here it's a mixed bag.  HE-6 has less harmonics but higher overall distortion.  Pick your poison.

These are the measurements I was referring too. Slightly better FR response and square wave plots on the 500s. Distortion is just as Solude mentioned. The HE-6s are great headphones (though not "ideal" to my ears) and the 500s are a steal at their price.

I totally agree with Rob on the HE6 treble not sounding harsh when properly driven. Just that there's too much of it (and in relation to the mids/bass) for my liking.
Edited by MacedonianHero - 6/23/13 at 9:26am
post #8943 of 14264
The 500 is more efficient so I'd expect to see a better fr curve with common amps. Put the HE-6 on a proper amp and then run the same plot. This is a case of using science to make an impression. Not necessarily the right conclusion but the one desired. IMO, the 500s are not a better sounding product compared to the 6s.

I've listened to the same headphones prepro did on my home rig. Value is another issue but for sound purity, the 6s was the best of the HEs.

IMO
Edited by Happy Camper - 6/23/13 at 9:29am
post #8944 of 14264
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

The 500 is more efficient so I'd expect to see a better fr curve with common amps. Put the HE-6 on a proper amp and then run the same plot. This is a case of using science to make an impression. Not necessarily the right conclusion but the one desired. IMO, the 500s are not a better sounding product compared to the 6s.

I've listened to the same headphones prepro did on my home rig. Value is another issue but for sound purity, the 6s was the best of the HEs.

IMO

I have talked to Tyll about running plots with different amps and we both agree that the differences would be darn to see. But I would very much like to run some data to see. smily_headphones1.gif
post #8945 of 14264
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post


These are the measurements I was referring too. Slightly better FR response and square wave plots on the 500s. Distortion is just as Solude mentioned. The HE-6s are great headphones (though not "ideal" to my ears) and the 500s are a steal at their price.

I totally agree with Rob on the HE6 treble not sounding harsh when properly driven. Just that there's too much of it (and in relation to the mids/bass) for my liking.

 

 

All done on the Headroom Buda??  

 

I call foul,  I call not fair,  I call err..  something....

 

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post #8946 of 14264
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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

I have talked to Tyll about running plots with different amps and we both agree that the differences would be darn to see. But I would very much like to run some data to see. smily_headphones1.gif
Power makes the driver perform and the measuring equipment is the judge of performance so why the hesitation? The majority have offered their subjective impression of the need for current reserves to drive the 6s. In this case, I'd have more faith in the subjective than the objective up to now.
post #8947 of 14264
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

All on the EF-6 or some kind of vintage amp I presume..  

Yes, I liked the HE-6 / EF-6 combo very much. And the HE-6 are also terrific from a powerful vintage amp. Love them with my big Pioneer.

But I've liked the HE-6 with quite a number of different amps. I've also heard them suffer from being underpowered, but properly amped they are about as good as it gets.
post #8948 of 14264

Reminds me of tube vs. ss amp. SS amp trounces the tube amp in every measurement. Still the tube amp has that magic that the ss amp just doesn't have. wink.gif

post #8949 of 14264
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Originally Posted by LarsHP View Post

I certainly don't find the quality of the HE-6 treble reminiscent of HD800. The Senn has more than enough treble and in addition it sounds a bit dry. The HE-6 on the other hand has a gorgeous treble, and while a little too much treble it is less than HD800. Also, I find the HD800 too light on bass and again HE-6 having more. Frankly, to my ears, the HD800 is hugely overrated. It may have some strengths (like imaging and comfort), but the tonality is simply too light and thin for me. I literally laughed out loud when I heard it the first time. I was expecting something that might compete with HE-6, but was SO disappointed with it. Others may hear it differently of course.

I have been in love with my HE6 for the last year, but I think I recently have to give the edge to the HD800's. The HE6 are driven beautifully, and they exceed the HD800 in timbre, bass texture and viscerality; but to claim the treble is smoother and gorgeous (compared to the HD800) is not what I would say. The HD800 truly beats the HE6 in high frequency smoothness, extension and timbre.

 

The HE6 also sings more at higher volumes, but on low level listening, it's not great. That's my one flaw with them.

post #8950 of 14264
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

The HE6 also sings more at higher volumes, but on low level listening, it's not great. That's my one flaw with them.
I agree with this. If you don't push them, they are polite and underwhelming.
post #8951 of 14264
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

 

The HE6 also sings more at higher volumes, but on low level listening, it's not great. That's my one flaw with them.

 

+1. This may be due to their inefficiency. More juice needed to make them sing which makes the sound loud.

post #8952 of 14264
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

 

+1. This may be due to their inefficiency. More juice needed to make them sing which makes the sound loud.


+2

post #8953 of 14264

So not too wife friendly ;)

post #8954 of 14264

Based on the comments previously, I think I have to agree that the HE6 doesn't necessarily take notice of how much power the amplifier has. No matter how powerful an amp I feed the HE6, for example my ~40 watt modded MC225, it still needs to be playing loud (at half volume is very very loud and amply drives the headphone) to have more space and image fantastically. All amps i've tried the HE6 with needed to be playing at a certain volume; they're not a sit-back-and-relax type of headphone; but they sure are amazing for rocking/jamming out!

 

I feel the HE6 should be distanced from your ears and played loud, as though they were speakers. For all you owners, try your HE6 with the cups ~7 cm from your ears, for fun.


Edited by dleblanc343 - 6/23/13 at 10:20am
post #8955 of 14264

+3

Then again, I find them performing better on lower volumes with more current/wattage amps.

FI. on the Mini [50wpc] they sounded so-so on low volume levels, with the C/Master 10 [250w] they perform significantly better at lower volume levels... Better dynamics and more life.

I guess the [pre]amp lets more power through or I dunno.

In comparison to their subjective performance when playing louder of course.

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