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post #8926 of 14887
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

From what I understand - you have close to no real world experience with this headphone.  That counts for a lot or should I say - counts for nothing..  So going on what "they" say is like meh - no thanks.  

 

You mad bro :P

 

Not close to no real world experience, absolutely none.  To be fair, I do keep saying ON PAPER.  As for 'they'... InnerFidelity, AVGuide, 6Moons, Soundstage, Headfonia.

 

I would add that if what they say is 'meh' why wouldn't what you say also be 'meh'?  I personally think the whole point of reviews and forums is information sharing.  And in sharing information what I have learned over time is that we have different sonic goals.  For example, mine and your goals don't line up so your opinion of the HE-6 doesn't have as much weight as someone who's opinion of X or Y line up with mine.  It's not personal it's just the way of the world.

 

I didn't say they needed power, I said they didn't and showed numbers to prove it.  Because let's face it a lot of people don't understand how this stuff works even at a very basic 101 type level.

 

I also quite liked the HE-5LE but the big scoop out of the upper mids gave the overall nod to the Stax O2.

post #8927 of 14887

I don't find the HE6's bright at all. They are not much brighter than my LCD2.2's and both are significantly darker sounding than my HD800's.

Not that I would describe any of the phones as excessively bright.

 

I have even bought silver cables for all 3 wink_face.gif

post #8928 of 14887
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post



HE-500






HE-6



Why is the HE-500 measured better?

It absolutely doesn't measure better in FR wink.gif

It doesn't always happen this way, but those two graphs really correlate incredibly well to how I heard the two headphones. The HE-6 has a little more treble energy in the 6kHz area, and the bass is just a little more damped than the HE-500. But overall the HE-6 has the flatter response, and sounds more neutral.

I still maintain the HE-6's treble only sounds in any way harsh if its not properly amped. This can be a failing of either quality, power, or both.
post #8929 of 14887
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

You mad bro :P

 

Not close to no real world experience, absolutely none.  To be fair, I do keep saying ON PAPER.  As for 'they'... InnerFidelity, AVGuide, 6Moons, Soundstage, Headfonia.

 

I would add that if what they say is 'meh' why wouldn't what you say also be 'meh'?  I personally think the whole point of reviews and forums is information sharing.  And in sharing information what I have learned over time is that we have different sonic goals.  For example, mine and your goals don't line up so your opinion of the HE-6 doesn't have as much weight as someone who's opinion of X or Y line up with mine.  It's not personal it's just the way of the world.

 

I didn't say they needed power, I said they didn't and showed numbers to prove it.  Because let's face it a lot of people don't understand how this stuff works even at a very basic 101 type level.

 

I also quite liked the HE-5LE but the big scoop out of the upper mids gave the overall nod to the Stax O2.

 

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Me mad - no way Jose....  I just rather you state what you hear, instead of what others hear.  We all hear different.  

 

You of all people know how it is when rolling amps.  The one you like stays.  This comes from your own in house experiments, not from what others have said.  Many have said how much they like the LF.  You say you don't.  That comes from first hand experience not what others say.  See what I mean..

post #8930 of 14887

Lynx Hilo -> Link Harmonic Truth -> Audiomat Prelude Reference 20 -> Ecosse MS 2.3 -> Hifiman -> HE6 (Stefan art cable) no harsh at all, very georgous sound

post #8931 of 14887
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Why is the HE-500 measured better?

 

No offense to purrin but he uses a correction curve based on his speakers matched by ear and doesn't follow a process.  Ie for the LCD-3 he did free air measurements to highlight a flaw.

 

That said, if you read the posts following those graphs, he says the HE-6 is bright and that the HE-500 could be used for production.  So um ya.  Use Tyll's or for ease the HeadRoom one's which have been updated with Tyll's data.

 

Two things to keep in mind.  The HE-500 track in 10-20KHz like the HE-6 but the one side dipped and HeadRoom used that side.  Equally the HE-6 follows the HE-500 from 10-30Hz but again they side used the dipped side.  What is consistent is the treble shelf if cut in half on the HE-500.

 

And here the HE-500 is cleaner in the mids, has better sustain down low and less overshoot.

Here it's a mixed bag.  HE-6 has less harmonics but higher overall distortion.  Pick your poison.

post #8932 of 14887
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

We're all waiting for your next mega multi-way amp comparison bigsmile_face.gif

 

Hehe the for sale forum isn't playing along unfortunately.  There was a nice run there for a while where a lot of great amps kept coming up.  Lately nothing :(

post #8933 of 14887

This is what I mean about graphs.  If they are objective they should measure close to the exact same.  No consistency between any of the graph producers.  

 

So for me - Out goes the graphs.  I let my ears and my rigs do the talking / deciding.  Again - comes down to personal experience with your own rigs and preference.

post #8934 of 14887
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Me mad - no way Jose....  I just rather you state what you hear, instead of what others hear.  We all hear different.  

 

The other thing you need to know about me... I ride the fence like it's going out of style and over analyse everything.  So before I take the plunge I need to satisfy my inner miser that it's the right direction to put money on.  Amps I can buy used, who cares, at worst I lose shipping.  Most headphones I buy new and am stuck paying retail so... ouch.  If only I had a Chinese contact for these ;)  


Edited by Solude - 6/23/13 at 8:11am
post #8935 of 14887
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

 

Hehe the for sale forum isn't playing along unfortunately.  There was a nice run there for a while where a lot of great amps kept coming up.  Lately nothing :(

 

Just to say, the HE-6 is my first high-end HP... My previous HP was a Pro 900, which I"d rather not talk about...

That saying, I think I am quite sensitive to treble, as I couldn't listen to the Pros, while others loved them.

I never found the HE bright in the first place. Even through mz first month when uderamped, they just lacked dynamics.

I think it is a shame you are not willing to try them. The qualities they offer - bass, air, instrument separation, naturalness, midrange,...

Even on my basic setup they performed well enough [review in the sig], now on high-level stuff [soon to be added] they improved further.

I don't wanna necessarily convince you, but I am just saying that you are missing on some seriously good music reproduction value.

post #8936 of 14887
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Originally Posted by Solude View Post

That said, if you read the posts following those graphs, he says the HE-6 is bright 

 

For some reason it seems the word "bright" is a bad thing.  

 

Yes, the HE-6, HD800 are bright headphones.  That does not make them a bad headphone.  IMO bright means airy, openness and space.    All what I like and prefer as opposed to dark and closed.

 

A bright headphone still can be neutral.  Just like a dark headphone can be neutral.  You can measure treble spikes and dips.  But you can't measure brightness / darkness - airiness and openness.  You can just suspect..  A dark headphone can have harsh treble spikes,, Just like a bright headphone can have rolled off treble.

post #8937 of 14887

/pulls out the audiophile dictionary

 

I have no doubt that the HE-6 isn't...

 

light Lean and tipped-up. The audible effect of a frequency response which is tilted counterclockwise. Compare "dark."

 

which would be the counter to what the Audeze is often referred to...

 

dark A warm, mellow, excessively rich quality in reproduced sound. The audible effect of a frequency response which is clockwise-tilted across the entire range, so that output diminishes with increasing frequency. Compare "light."

 

My fear is it might be, like the HD800...

 

bright The most often misused term in audio, these describe the degree to which reproduced sound has a hard, crisp edge to it. Brightness relates to the energy content in the 4kHz-8kHz band. It is not related to output in the extreme-high-frequency range. All live sound has brightness; it is a problem only when it is excessive.

 

Phew :D

post #8938 of 14887
Everyone has a feeling about treble as most of our details are there. I find natural sound to have a lot of energy in the treble region. It's when it gets to sounding unnatural that it gets so much notice. That's the electronics gear that usually causes that (though some Grado & Beyer phones can be overbearing). Put the right pieces in place and the 6s and 800s do a great job. I have a hunch that there was a push to market some sponsors harder (such is the problem with sponsorship paying the bills and fair reviews) than others and a bias towards US and giant manufacturer made gear. Hifiman vs Audeze when they first came out. Sen. gear especially gets big kudos here. This isn't a criticism of their gear, only my view of marketing practices here.

IMO
post #8939 of 14887
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post
 
I have a hunch that there was a push to market some sponsors harder (such is the problem with sponsorship paying the bills and fair reviews) than others and a bias towards US and giant manufacturer made gear. Hifiman vs Audeze when they first came out.

 

No doubt there.  HiFiMAN and Audio-GD don't get much love and a lot of it is good old nationalism.  In the case of Audio-GD they pretty much release Krell level gear at 1/10th the price and still don't get much notice /facepalm

post #8940 of 14887
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

But overall the HE-6 has the flatter response, and sounds more neutral.

I still maintain the HE-6's treble only sounds in any way harsh if its not properly amped. 

 

Captain Dark likes the HE-6?  Sadly that's interesting to me.  Hmm.

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