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How is the transformer in the Mini-X? It looks nice from the outside, and big too, but I don't know jack schiit about transformers so...

 

This is one of the reasons I like the Mini-X.  It uses a pretty good heavy duty power supply and a very large toroidal transformer it also has a fully discrete design.

 

Listen, for $200 it's a steal for a starter amp for the HE-6.  Better than the majority of headphone amps "For the HE-6" that use those small ass r-core transformers.  

 

Lets not forget Emotiva sales direct to the public with no middle man.  If a reseller was involved to make a profit they would sale for $300 or more.  Hell as many sales Emotiva has you can get the amp for $175.  

 

Not saying it's better than "X",  It's not the best out there by far.  However, to start out with before upgrading or as a stand in until you get the amp of your dreams.  It's great at it's price tag.  

post #8777 of 14254
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

How is the transformer in the Mini-X? It looks nice from the outside, and big too, but I don't know jack schiit about transformers so...

Like anything in audio, you can pay a little or a lot.  for example:  http://www.acoustic-dimension.com/audionote/Audio-Note-output-transformers.htm

post #8778 of 14254
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How is the transformer in the Mini-X? It looks nice from the outside, and big too, but I don't know jack schiit about transformers so...

Now it starts getting silly! Bigger isn't always better. And for solid state amps, you can't tell quality from looks. You don't wanna know what's in the expensive Naim box, yet they sound pretty good bigsmile_face.gif

 

Like prepoman said, it's a good bargain at its price tag - keep it while you go out and demo other amps, maybe borrow one back to a/b the two.

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Now it starts getting silly! Bigger isn't always better. And for solid state amps, you can't tell quality from looks. You don't wanna know what's in the expensive Naim box, yet they sound pretty good bigsmile_face.gif

 

Like prepoman said, it's a good bargain at its price tag - keep it while you go out and demo other amps, maybe borrow one back to a/b the two.

 

From my experience the Mini does scale with better DACs.

I for instance could tell a noticeable difference between a mid-fi and hi-fi DAC even through the Mini.

It does have its obvious limits, but saying that "it does not hold a candle against X" seems a bit overemphasized to me, especially in this hobby :) 

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Well I did have it (the Emotiva) in house - and considering the T-amp that it has to fair against costs even less, I think that's a fair assessment. I would not state that if I'm to compare it against something costing much more.

 

Yes, the hobby is pretty exaggerated. If you want to look at it from the financial standpoint: No, I don't think the He-6 is 500 bucks better than the He-500, nor do I think my current amp is 3x better than the Emotiva/T-Amp/Vintage Kenwood it replaced - the gain I get from both does not corresponds to the money spent. Yet when I said "can't hold a candle against X", I meant exactly that - comparing performance only - price no object.

 

About scaling, people usually refer to scaling when talking about transducer only. The truth is most well-designed amplifiers are decent enough to show the difference between sources, provided your transducers are revealing enough. You don't really see people say "My Krell scales so well I'm gonna buy a MSB Dac and a pair of Acapella to complete the chain".

post #8781 of 14254
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

Well I did have it (the Emotiva) in house - and considering the T-amp that it has to fair against costs even less, I think that's a fair assessment. I would not state that if I'm to compare it against something costing much more.

 

Yes, the hobby is pretty exaggerated. If you want to look at it from the financial standpoint: No, I don't think the He-6 is 500 bucks better than the He-500, nor do I think my current amp is 3x better than the Emotiva/T-Amp/Vintage Kenwood it replaced - the gain I get from both does not corresponds to the money spent. Yet when I said "can't hold a candle against X", I meant exactly that - comparing performance only - price no object.

 

About scaling, people usually refer to scaling when talking about transducer only. The truth is most well-designed amplifiers are decent enough to show the difference between sources, provided your transducers are revealing enough. You don't really see people say "My Krell scales so well I'm gonna buy a MSB Dac and a pair of Acapella to complete the chain".

 

Very well then, I have been educated beerchug.gif

Each to his own I guess.

I still do, however, think that (from my personal experience) statements like that can be a bit deceiving and might leave you disappointed in the end because people simply over exaggerate here, me included.

So it is always better to put things better into perspective IMO.

I shall reserve my judgment to see just how much the Mini does not hold a candle against the C10 (which is more than 7x more expensive)

Who knows, I might be surprised evil_smiley.gif

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Well depends on how you interpret that, better to express yourself rather than interpreting internet statements silently tongue_smile.gif

 

I think I did mention once that while to me, the T-amp is better; I would not advise anyone to sell their Emotiva and get one.

 

Audio-gd holds lots of surprises - especially their preamps bigsmile_face.gif

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The Emotiva amp was definitely a steal at $219. There was a sale not too long ago that brought it down even more too. Although considering my DAC is pretty good the amp was definitely the weak point but I no longer cared to try any higher to see where it takes me.

 

However it looks like the run is over with the HE6. I got lucky and sold the amp fast and then sold the HE6 and all my cables/pads in one deal which I wasn't expecting since I thought it would be 2 or 3 deals. Two people got good deals imo :)

 

I hope Fang releases an electrostatic headphone next :)

post #8784 of 14254

His next flagship is likely to be an improved version of the HE Jades. With the current demand, just rebuild it in a better frame would prove to be successful tongue_smile.gif

post #8785 of 14254

Fang's been quiet for over a year now... I think he's got some goodies comin up!

 

We love you Dr. Fang (hug)

post #8786 of 14254
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Fang's been quiet for over a year now... I think he's got some goodies comin up!

 

We love you Dr. Fang (hug)

 

True. But, I do know he and the wife welcomed a little one into the world about a year ago, so... wink_face.gif I think now he is really inspired. 

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Inspired to make a closed portable headphone to block out baby noises? tongue.gif

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That's dt880smile.png cold. Though, I'd be intrigued by a Full-size closed headphone from this designer.

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I read in another forum that it has to do with the size and quality of the transformer? Not sure about this, it sounded plausible to my newb mind...

 

Yes, to a certain extend (especially true with tube amps), the sound you hear is the sound of the transformer. Can't get good sound with a $10 wallwart or $25 switching power supply (or a 50 bucks r-core transformer for that matter). 

 

I have learned through listening that big transformers and big heat sinks are good for the current-devouring HE6:

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I consider my RA150 to be as close to "wire with gain" amplification as one can get regardless of the level of investment. It has an amazing record in recording studios powering NFMs, is completely balanced, and pretty-much defines bang for the buck in my book. The transformer box pictured above is larger than the entire T-amp that I tried with the HE6, which cost more than the RA150 but didn't sound good with the HE6 at all in comparison (along with a few other well-regarded amps I tried).

 

I'm definitely looking forward to the new Jade II electrostatic! L3000.gif

post #8790 of 14254
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I have learned through listening that big transformers and big heat sinks are good for the current-devouring HE6:

img_879635_26696917_4?1286084584

 

I consider my RA150 to be as close to "wire with gain" amplification as one can get regardless of the level of investment. It has an amazing record in recording studios powering NFMs, is completely balanced, and pretty-much defines bang for the buck in my book. The transformer box pictured above is larger than the entire T-amp that I tried with the HE6, which cost more than the RA150 but didn't sound good with the HE6 at all in comparison (along with a few other well-regarded amps I tried).

 

I'm definitely looking forward to the new Jade II electrostatic! L3000.gif

Wow that looks like another great option/value. Isn't the twin volume knob thing annoying? Or maybe not if I get used to it?

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