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I've not yet heard the HE-6 on speaker amps, so no idea how much better than they can get, but I'm very satisfied with their sound on my Audio-GD Reference 10 (6W into 50ohm).

 

Hopefully one day get to listen on a well-matched speaker amp, but sadly opportunities for that sort of thing here in New Zealand are few and far between.

post #7892 of 13039

That also shows that the HE-6 scales or declines with the quality of what it is being fed with. But that's how good transducers are, its just a messenger, sorta.

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Yeah I agree, and what a great messenger they are. They won't lie to you, sugar coat, or beat around the bush. They just deliver the goods. If you try to disguise the truth, they will definitely call you on it.
post #7894 of 13039
How do the compare with an HD800 in terms soundstage, imaging, and transparency? Specifically when the HE6 is diven from some of the aforementioned high end speaker amps-and the Senn running on totl amps?

-Daniel
post #7895 of 13039

On most amps, it's not even close. The hd800 is just simply superior when it comes to sound stage, and that's both width and dept. On the dark star, the sound stage with the hd800 is still wider with the he-6 have more sound stage dept. But on some of the better speaker amps I've heard, the sound stage on the he-6 is just better in every way. But that's just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by BournePerfect View Post

How do the compare with an HD800 in terms soundstage, imaging, and transparency? Specifically when the HE6 is diven from some of the aforementioned high end speaker amps-and the Senn running on totl amps?

-Daniel

 

I've never listened to an HD800. Here's my opinion. It would be an apples and oranges kind of comparison because of the amp. These amps can't be use with the HD800.

post #7898 of 13039
You will get varying opinions on which is better. To me, the HE-6 is the best headphone value and at the top of the heap of current non-electrostatic headphones and better than most of those, the top models exempt. The HE are very amp dependent but as we've mentioned, have more room for improvement than any other can. We're still finding new heights for this unique and outstanding headphone.
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I just want to share a listening experience I had with the he-6 recently. But first I'll give a brief history of my personally journey with them. I've long been a proponent of the he-6 sounding best with speaker amps. In fact, I came to that conclusion before they landed to my house based on my experience with previous hifiman orthos I've owned. And given these were going to be more inefficient than even the he-5, I already had planned on paring them with speaker amps. So now that I've got that out of the way, a friend of mine(headfi user The Wuss) got them around the same time I did. And both of our journeys were very different. Some of the amps he used were little dot mkvi, spl phonitor and such. At the time he thought the mkvi could drive them and thought they sounded really good. He also liked them with the phoniter, and loved the soundstage they had off the phonitor, but always thought something was missing. And as a result, he had them ranked behind his lcd2, and T1.

 

I had went through about 10-15 amps with many of them being vintage, and each one had the strengths and weakness, but I was already under the impression that these headphones were pretty special. So one night we had a two person meet, and he listened to them off a pioneer sx1010 I had at the time. I told him out of all of my amps, I would have ranked the sx1010 last, but it still did a great job driving them. His jaw literally hit the floor. It was like hearing them for the first time. So this eventually led to him getting the dark star. And when we met again, we both determined the dark star was the best we ever hear the he-6. But with how drastic the changes were going from one amp to another we also surmised that we probably still haven't heard the best of the he-6.

 

The dark star was the first(and to this point the only) dedicated headphone amp that I had listened to that could match and even beat a "good" speaker amp with the he-6, and although I've come to own a couple of speaker amps I like better than the dark star, that combo is just simply magical and amazing. He also owns the lcd-3, and I hold them in very high regard. They are the second best headphone I ever listened to next to the he-6. But on the darkstar, they still are on the same playing field with the lcd-3s doing a couple of things better, and the he-6 doing quiet a few things better. But the dark star is good enough for me to prefer them both to the r10 which is still the best pair of dynamic cans I ever listened to.

 

Now all of this brings me to our most recent meet. Brent recently purchased an audio research vsi60 with the sole purpose of using it as a speaker amp for his new harbeth hl5. He has no intentions of it being an he6 amp. He really adores the dark star, and that amp  is end game for him(I can't really argue with him). But given my recent experience with a couple of amps I have, I told him he should at least try it, and that I believe that amp on the he-6 would be on another level than even his dark star.

 

The he-6 he has been hard wired and terminated with two 3pin xlrs, so they were a no go with his 4 pin xlr to banana plug adapter, so I had to bring mine. What we heard that night was nothing less than stunning(well not for me). On the dark star, I slightly preferred the he-6 to the lcd-3, but on the AR, it wasn't even close for me. The mids were the most realistic I've heard from any transducer, and that includes a pair of 40,000.00 jm lab utopias(those were the previous best for me). There was no treble tilt was so ever, and the bass had unlimited extension. The bass was even better than the lcd-3 for me. images were coming at me from all over the room. It was simply the best sound I ever heard in my life, and with all of the 20,000.00+ speakers I've listened to and headphones I've both owned and listened to, that's really saying something.

 

So by the end of the night, we both said that same thing we have said previously. And that was, I bet we still haven't heard the best of the he-6. We both began to throw out hypotheticals like, 20,000.00 tube monoblocks, and 20,000.00 sources etc. Or even 10,000.00 monoblocks and sources. This is a headphone, that I believe that has virtually unlimited potential unlike any headphone I've ever encountered. Sorry for the long soliloquy, but I just wanted to share.

 

This post just put after-dinner desserts on notice! What a finish to a fine meal out here on the West coast! For me, it wasn't simply having you take me out on an audio journey with your experience. Rather, you took this reader places tongue_smile.gif he wanted to go...

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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

You will get varying opinions on which is better. To me, the HE-6 is the best headphone value and at the top of the heap of current non-electrostatic headphones and better than most of those, the top models exempt. The HE are very amp dependent but as we've mentioned, have more room for improvement than any other can. We're still finding new heights for this unique and outstanding headphone.

 

Thanks to you, wotts, moodyrn and others here in this space, I'm going to embark the HE6-Express at next employment.


Edited by Silent One - 1/22/13 at 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

This post just put after-dinner desserts on notice! What a finish to a fine meal out here on the West coast! For me, it wasn't simply having you take me out on an audio journey with your experience. Rather, you took this reader places tongue_smile.gif
 he wanted to go...

Thanks for the kind words.
post #7902 of 13039
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post

 

Thanks to you, wotts, moodyrn and others here in this space, I'm going to embark the HE6-Express at next employment.

 

Good luck trying to find your HE-6 Nirvana 

post #7903 of 13039
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

You will get varying opinions on which is better. To me, the HE-6 is the best headphone value and at the top of the heap of current non-electrostatic headphones and better than most of those, the top models exempt. The HE are very amp dependent but as we've mentioned, have more room for improvement than any other can. We're still finding new heights for this unique and outstanding headphone.

I totally agree. Price/Perfromance ratio of the HE-6 is the best of all. There could be better sounding headphones but not at that price point. I own the HE-6, HD800, T1, W300ANV and SR-009. All of them are excellent and obviously the best is the SR-009 IMO but at a big price. After the SR-009 I like the HE-6, HD800 and W3000ANV the same for different reasong with maybe a little slight preference for the HE-6. The T1 follow those in my list.

post #7904 of 13039

X2. The senns, lcd3, th900, w3000anv(when I bought mine), 007 series, ps1000, etc all cost more than the he-6. With some of them being near or more than twice the price. I think hifiman have to two highest price performance cans on the market with the hd-6 and he-500. And out of all of those, only the 009 beats them hands down(although I haven't listened to them, just assuming). And the fact you have to spend nearly 5x the cost on a pair of 009 in order to significantly beat them speaks even more to the type of value they are. I'm still grinning ear to ear with mine because I was one of the early adopters and got them for 899.

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Yay.


Edited by sphinxvc - 1/23/13 at 11:09am
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