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post #571 of 15253

Don't roll your eyes at me for assuming a location that you generalize.  Seems like you are lashing out at the process, but I think you are actually unhappy about being where you are while trying to participate in a hobby that is enhanced by being in a more beneficial location.

 

The only meet remotely close to me is a 7 hour round trip drive that I do within a 24 hour period, but I still go despite it being on the small side and not as much selection as I'd like. I don't complain about the distance, because I don't have a right to attend a meet, it is a privilege.

post #572 of 15253

I am not complaining and I like where I live quite a bit, but you are right it does make participating in this hobby all the more challenging. Also I was rolling my eyes at my location, not at you so please don't take that so personally, it's just a smiley for Chrissakes.

 

I would have to fly 5 hours plus a two hour drive each way to get to what most people think of as the Pacific Northwest. If you take this as complaining then so be it, but it was just a statement of my situation. IMO you are making assumptions that have a lot more to do with your reality than with mine.

 

What I am actually complaining about is quite obvious, so I won't repeat it. If you have any comments on that they are most welcome.

 

Hopefully the HE-7 will sound like the HE-6 prototype did 


Edited by grokit - 11/3/10 at 7:29pm
post #573 of 15253

Ah, my mistake then. Hard to tell the intentions of words and emoticons on the internet sometimes. No worries.

post #574 of 15253
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

Ah, my mistake then. Hard to tell the intentions of words and emoticons on the internet sometimes. No worries.



That's one of the issues with internet forums like this...so hard to gauge what someone is really saying without seeing facial expressions. Human beings are used to using their ears, eyes and hands when communicating. On on the internet, two thirds are missing.

post #575 of 15253

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Originally Posted by MacedonianHero View Post

Human beings are used to using their ears, eyes and hands when communicating.

 

Not to mention the mouth and fingers on the keyboard!


Edited by grokit - 11/3/10 at 8:43pm
post #576 of 15253
The Internet is serious business!

Grrrrrrr
post #577 of 15253

Living in Alaska is probably one of the best audio tweaks of them all.  An HE6 with a view of gorgeous mountains and a 6 hour sunset is always going to sound better than an HE6 with my cracked and peeling white walls and waste basket that really needs to be emptied.  I would also pay a lot more for an HE6 if it came with mountainous views.

post #578 of 15253

Well I have a lake view but yes the climate is right for indoor listening hours on end for half the year lol. And if you want cryo-treatment, you can just leave your gear outside for the month of January, that should do it! Also you're right about the mountain views, the ones nearby are stunning.


Edited by grokit - 11/4/10 at 1:07pm
post #579 of 15253
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The LCD-2 required 0.0h of burnin to shine.


Looking at the construction of these huge  flat ortho drivers you should expect the sound to be a bit more diffused?.  Audeze try to angle the drivers somewhat by the earpads but I still get the same issue you got on your HE6 versus most of the dynamics I own or have owned. Currawong also suggested there is huge magnets in the way between you and the driver that can mess things up. I haven´t opened the LCD-2 up to check it´s internals. That will never ever happen wink.gif  I thought of perhaps going all ortho with LCD-2 plus HE-6 but not if HE-6 weight as much and have the same soundstage issues.

 


Oqvist, that's a very interesting observation from a technical perspective. Strange that there is no imaging problem in the case of the O2 though eventhough they also use a huge planar driver. 

 

I also forgot to mention that even though that this thing should be easier to drive than the prototype version, it's still pretty damn hard to get it loud. The WooAudio WA6 for example, simply could not bring the HE6 to an acceptable volume level even if you dial the volume knob all the way to the end. 

post #580 of 15253

You probably mean soundstage, not imaging right?  All the orthos I've heard (Yamaha, Fostex, and HE6) have had incredible imaging.  No sound bleeds into any other sound at all, probably due at least in part to the speed.  Plenty of space between instruments, they just don't throw anything that far away.  Soundstage seems to vary between orthos.  My T20 and T10 have a small soundstage compared to some dynamics, but there are no issues. 

 

Imaging is pretty crucial, soundstage is not as important.  IMO.

post #581 of 15253

Look forward to hearing the HE6.

 

Re imaging, the LCD2 has the most precise imaging I have heard. The equal of the O2Mk1 IMO in that area.

 

Not sure what is meant by this diffusness.

post #582 of 15253
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You probably mean soundstage, not imaging right?  All the orthos I've heard (Yamaha, Fostex, and HE6) have had incredible imaging.  No sound bleeds into any other sound at all, probably due at least in part to the speed.  Plenty of space between instruments, they just don't throw anything that far away.  Soundstage seems to vary between orthos.  My T20 and T10 have a small soundstage compared to some dynamics, but there are no issues. 

 

Imaging is pretty crucial, soundstage is not as important.  IMO.


I did mention that it's a problem inherent to the HE6 (along with HE5 and HE5LE). I've also heard my own fair share of vintage orthos and the bass-light NAD RP18 and YHD-3 that I had with the HE6 didn't exhibit this issue. I'm not sure about the LCD2 as I haven't received mine.  

 

As to whether it's soundstage or imaging, I'm honestly not sure. Like I said, the center image is diffused. A quick comparison to a dynamic headphone at hand revealed this fault quite consistently. 

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I wonder how much of the center fill is affected by the fact that Orthos are dipole in nature.  I would like to open them up to see if they contain "open baffles" as we know they are "open backed".  The HD650 for eg, have baffles that are clearly "open" in that sound can traverse from the enviroment, through the open back and also through the open baffle and hitting our ears, AKA crossfeed.  The T50s have an open back with its vent, however I noticed that the baffle was sealed.  When I have the TV on and I place the HD650 on my ears - all the sound comes through with a slight top end roll off - the HD800 is also transparent - except I feel the top end is "enhanced".

 

I only noticed this center fill is missing on some of my cans after extensive experience with the K1000s - open baffle, and open backed in fact open everything.  Only with electronic crossfeed will conventional cans match the K1000 soundstaging, although the HD800s are very good without it.


Edited by SP Wild - 11/3/10 at 11:16pm
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It's starting to show up on the head-direct site:

 

HE-6 alone $999

http://www.head-direct.com/products.php?p=92

 

HE-6 EF-5 Combo $1299

http://www.head-direct.com/products.php?p=93

 

HE-5/HE-5LE Customer Discount

Previous HE-5LE or HE-5 original customers can get $100 refund. To claim this refund, please email your original HE-5 or HE-5LE receipt, and the HE-6 on line receipt (email from paypal or googlecheckout) to head.direct@gmail.com. Two receipts must have same name and email address. We will do $100 refund after we got your two receipts.

 

Cables included:

 

OCC(single crystal copper) 4pin XLR cable *1 (2 m / 6 ft)

OCC XLR to 6.5mm headphone plug adapter *1 (1m / 3 ft)

 

2010Nov04084623he-6.jpg

 

Probably going to wait until they clarify the impedance box, if it's an option, and if so how much is it.


Edited by Maxvla - 11/4/10 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post

It's starting to show up on the head-direct site:

 

HE-6 alone $999

http://www.head-direct.com/products.php?p=92

 

HE-6 EF-5 Combo $1299

http://www.head-direct.com/products.php?p=93

 

HE-5/HE-5LE Customer Discount

Previous HE-5LE or HE-5 original customers can get $100 refund. To claim this refund, please email your original HE-5 or HE-5LE receipt, and the HE-6 on line receipt (email from paypal or googlecheckout) to head.direct@gmail.com. Two receipts must have same name and email address. We will do $100 refund after we got your two receipts.

 

2010Nov04084623he-6.jpg

 

Probably going to wait until they clarify the impedance box, if it's an option, and if so how much is it.


83.5 DB is no improvement in efficiency over the other prototype. That is difficult to drive as Maggies are. Needs some amps that have plenty of current.

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