HifiMAN HE-6 Planar Magnetic Headphone - Page 170

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Originally Posted by jamato8 

I was supposed to have my HE-6 this last Friday but the UPS contract station here on Pohnpei was too lazy to go and get them at the airport and I can't pick them up there. I then spoke to them on Sat., as they were in and they promised they would get them, they didn't, they went home instead. I am going to contact UPS about this as the contract station does what in convenient for them. It is a 5 minute trip to the airport (small island) but they only had that one package since Friday and don't want to bother. Jerks. 

HA.  HA..      

That's karma for all of your island gloating on headfi.

 

Thanks. You may be right. lol. Well I look forward to hearing these and hope that the PB2 powers them well but HighFlight  (Ron) has stated that the iBasso does a great job, surprisingly since many amps are speaker amps that are used with these. I also have the RSA 71B to try out and already have a balanced connector to use with the HE-6 when it gets here. I will balanced from their balanced connector to the smaller one used for the 71B and iBasso balanced amps. 

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Originally Posted by sokolov91 

Don't the States have Saturday delivery? Or is that just USPS

 

I don't think they truly know the feeling ;)

 

FWIW mine are in Cincinnati... hope to get them Monday or Tuesday and that my phoenix can drive them as using my speaker amp will be a PITA
 

Not DHL. I know UPS does and I am think Fedex too.
 

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Originally Posted by sunneebear 

 

ADS M30's are my dream speakers.  I have two regrets in audio and that is not buy the R10 and M30 when a retailer had them on sale.  I love the ADS sound especially the tweeters.  Driving a speaker with one big amp is the wrong way to drive them.  They need to be tri-amped and each amplifier matched to synergy of the driver.  Today I am still using the ADS SAT6 and SUB12.  The SAT6 is bi-amped, Onkyo M-504 for the tweeter and Counterpoint Solid One for the mids.
 

 

Thanks, looks very nice.  Specs look pretty good too.
 

 

HA.  HA..      

That's karma for all of your island gloating on headfi.

 

I think the ears work just fine. 

Believe me I know the feeling. In 1995 I bought a pair but before I took delivery of them I end up changing my mine and instead got a pair of B&W 801 Matrix S3. Since 2000 I have been looking for a pair and have not found them, One time I saw a pir in Crag's list out in New Hampshier (I think). I send the owner an email but he never reply.

If I see one pair for sale in good condition I would buy them on the spot.
 

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Originally Posted by sunneebear 

I think the ears work just fine. 

You did figure it out anyway with those two fine instruments.

My thoughts are that part of the benefits of a public forum is that people gain knowledge of a product or industry.  I am in support of Jians comments and do see immtbiker as exerting undue censorship on the comments of this forum.  I agree that we always must maintain a positive attitude about how we can improve and fix matters rather than just complain but we do need to air the negative experiences as well as the good.

To keep this short.  I think that it is particularly bad quality to control to receive a non functioning product from the outset.  We are not talking of a mass production company like samsung but a premium product for its market.  I agree that Hifiman will correct and replace the product but there should be a system in place to control this process whilst Fang has a well deserved holiday.

As for Jians comment about being Chinese.  I personally, interpreted that to mean that he was proud of the achievements of Fang and that the product is a high end product.

By being able to air dirty laundry we will all get to see the process and the manner in which Hifiman serves its customers and most importantly the way that Fang and his team take care of those that are his business.

I have read enough forums about Fang to believe in him and his company to easily rectify any problems.  That is part of why I am awaiting my order of HE6 and didnt buy Audezes.

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Originally Posted by immtbiker 

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Originally Posted by Jian 

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Originally Posted by immtbiker 

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Originally Posted by takoyaki 

I sent back "HE-6 with the right side not working"  for replacement.
This is evidence of defective.

 

I'm angry that Mr.Fang didn't answer to my questions, and regret what I purchased from Headi-Direct.

 

Dr. Fang is taking a well deserved vacation with his wife in the land where the water is turquoise and the trees have coconuts on them, after finishing the Consumer Electronics Show (CES), and previous to that, working 18 hours a day, finishing his thesis for his doctorate, and running back and forth to China, finishing 5 new hi-end products. If he didn't answer you, there's a damn good reason for it. If you have a defective product, they will send you another one.
 

 

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Originally Posted by musicman59 

i am thinking in buying a 30 watts per channel in 8 ohms Class A amplifier to have another option to drive my HE-6

Do you guys think that will be enough? I think 30 watts in 8 ohms is around 5 watts in 50 ohms.

 

Today I received my Red Wine Audio Signature 30.2 integrated battery powered home speaker amp, and it drives the HE-6's effortlessly at 10:00.

Sometimes I find you get angry and defensive easily on the topics related to Fang and his products. It seems Fang is a good friend to you, and its all very well. But if you defend him too hard and using aggressive words or phrases towards their customers, the effect is very negative, and IMO is not very helpful.

 

We all very busy and working hard on our own stuff, and lots of us have been through this PHD thing, etc, but the differences are we are customers and we paid them for the products and services. The fact is, although their attitude is very good and more often than not they are kind and trying very hard to solve the problems, but there really are quit a lot of problems with their QC and service in the first place. You are right they will replace the defective headphones because that's what they should and must do. However, whether Fang is on holiday or not, or how "damn good" the excuses are, their customers should be answered no matter, by himself or someone in charge.

 

I like their products and as a fellow Chinese, I'm very proud of what they have contributed, but there is a space to improve and it's only for their good to speak it out.

Nothing that I said in the above quote is angry or defensive. It is merely fact and information sharing. 

 

...and what does being a "fellow Chinese" have to do with anything. Why is race brought up in this conversation? He could be from Mars if all I care. My responses would be the same.

I do the same thing in threads regarding all of my friends. However, if you feel I should back off, I will take it into serious consideration.

 

Also, your post should have been a personal PM to me and not a post for all to see that is off-topic and airing dirty laundry out for all eyes to see. If you PM'd me, we could have had a discussion about it, and maybe I would see your side without having to get defensive because you posted it here.

 

Als, if takoyaki stated that he already sent his in for replacement, that means that he spoke to someone in the company that authorized the return and the replacement. So why be angry?

I haven't seen it posted in this thread yet, did anyone notice that the 4-pin connectors are "Yong Sheng" knock-off Neutrik connectors? I wonder how they compare to real Neutrik ones.

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Originally Posted by somestranger26 

I haven't seen it posted in this thread yet, did anyone notice that the 4-pin connectors are "Yong Sheng" knock-off Neutrik connectors? I wonder how they compare to real Neutrik ones.

I noticed, I made my own speaker connectors and I used the Neutrik female 4-pin XLR connector.

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Originally Posted by somestranger26 

I haven't seen it posted in this thread yet, did anyone notice that the 4-pin connectors are "Yong Sheng" knock-off Neutrik connectors? I wonder how they compare to real Neutrik ones.

Not going to get into IP if that is even an issue, but the connector is not something to worry about unless there is a mechanical issue.

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Originally Posted by somestranger26 

I haven't seen it posted in this thread yet, did anyone notice that the 4-pin connectors are "Yong Sheng" knock-off Neutrik connectors? I wonder how they compare to real Neutrik ones.

I was going to say something but they seem to work good and plug pretty smooth unlike some of the other knock-offs.  Ha ha, they even have a copy Neutrik symbol.  For 1K you'd expect at least a $5 name brand connector though.

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Originally Posted by sunneebear 

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Originally Posted by somestranger26 

I haven't seen it posted in this thread yet, did anyone notice that the 4-pin connectors are "Yong Sheng" knock-off Neutrik connectors? I wonder how they compare to real Neutrik ones.

I was going to say something but they seem to work good and plug pretty smooth unlike some of the other knock-offs.  Ha ha, they even have a copy Neutrik symbol.  For 1K you'd expect at least a $5 name brand connector though.

yeah... no kidding...

But if you are going to skimp at least do it in the areas that don't matter.

Neutrik makes a slightly higher quality 4-pin XLR connector (their XX series) than the ones used in the HE-6 but I used their FX series, otherwise I would have had to replace both male and female connectors. The latch is different. Are they audible? Dunno but they look nicer specially with the colored rings. http://www.neutrik.com/fr/en/audio/210_676471328/NC4FXX-B_detail.aspx

The HE-6 started out with the Neutrik, don't know why Fang changed to these.

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Originally Posted by musicman59 

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Originally Posted by immtbiker 

 

Dr. Fang is taking a well deserved vacation with his wife in the land where the water is turquoise and the trees have coconuts on them, after finishing the Consumer Electronics Show (CES), and previous to that, working 18 hours a day, finishing his thesis for his doctorate, and running back and forth to China, finishing 5 new hi-end products. If he didn't answer you, there's a damn good reason for it. If you have a defective product, they will send you another one.
 

 

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Originally Posted by musicman59 

i am thinking in buying a 30 watts per channel in 8 ohms Class A amplifier to have another option to drive my HE-6

Do you guys think that will be enough? I think 30 watts in 8 ohms is around 5 watts in 50 ohms.

 

Today I received my Red Wine Audio Signature 30.2 integrated battery powered home speaker amp, and it drives the HE-6's effortlessly at 10:00.

Thanks for the information. Then what I am looking at should work fine.

Vinnie at Red Wine Audio says he is working on a Isabellina HPA LFP-V Edition with a custom high-power output stage (Class A) that works quite well with the HE-6.

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Originally Posted by musicman59 

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Originally Posted by sokolov91 

Don't the States have Saturday delivery? Or is that just USPS

 

I don't think they truly know the feeling ;)

 

FWIW mine are in Cincinnati... hope to get them Monday or Tuesday and that my phoenix can drive them as using my speaker amp will be a PITA
 

Not DHL. I know UPS does and I am think Fedex too.
 

UPS and FedEx only delivers on Saturdays if you pay for air and a request Saturday delivery. USPS does indeed deliver on Saturdays, But Priority mail is not included on weekends.
 

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Originally Posted by Kremer930 

My thoughts are that part of the benefits of a public forum is that people gain knowledge of a product or industry.  I am in support of Jians comments and do see immtbiker as exerting undue censorship on the comments of this forum.  I agree that we always must maintain a positive attitude about how we can improve and fix matters rather than just complain but we do need to air the negative experiences as well as the good.

 

To keep this short.  I think that it is particularly bad quality to control to receive a non functioning product from the outset.  We are not talking of a mass production company like samsung but a premium product for its market.  I agree that Hifiman will correct and replace the product but there should be a system in place to control this process whilst Fang has a well deserved holiday.

 

As for Jians comment about being Chinese.  I personally, interpreted that to mean that he was proud of the achievements of Fang and that the product is a high end product.

 

By being able to air dirty laundry we will all get to see the process and the manner in which Hifiman serves its customers and most importantly the way that Fang and his team take care of those that are his business.

 

I have read enough forums about Fang to believe in him and his company to easily rectify any problems.  That is part of why I am awaiting my order of HE6 and didnt buy Audezes.

Jian's comment about being Chinese and proud of a chinese company making it, falls under the category of  "No conversations about politics, religion or race" and for a while a year back, members were getting banned about broaching the subject in violation of the TOU. Race had nothing to do with the subject.

If you read again, what I had said to Jian, was that if he felt what I was doing was wrong, then why use the thread to post his concerns about the way that I was handling things, for all to see. Why not act like two adults, PM me with the same concerns, and we could have discussed it, and maybe I would have seen what I did was right or wrong. I don't see the reason why it had to be brought up, off-topic in a thread where hundreds of people are reading the posts.

I'm a pretty reasonable guy, and if I would have gotten a mature, non-aggressive PM from Jian, I might have agreed with him and we could have worked things out. But why (using an analogy here) yell at the friend at Walmart in front of other's instead of trying to work it out personally in the car. If I was still being stubborn and Jian felt there was no way to resolve my actions that he might not have liked, then bring it up in the thread. It's like at work, when I have a complaint about a co-worker, I go to him and try to have a conversation and resolve the problem. I don't instantly run to the manager and complain about my co-worker.

That was my key point. We all make mistakes and I'm open to having someone come to me and tell me their feelings, but of course I'm going to get defensive if it is done in front of hundreds of people.

I am not exerting undue censorship about comments on the forum. I was merely pointing out facts. I am allowed to post as a member as well as a Mod. When I pointed out that I felt it was wrong about a member being truly "angry" with a company when they didn't get a response back from the president, I followed that up with the fact that he must have had communication with the company because he very clearly stated that he was getting a replacement. So what you are saying about a member not getting a response from the company because the owner is away, is incorrect, if they have made arrangements to get a replacement it means they spoke to someone in the company. Of course you don't just abandon your customers just because you are going away. It might be a different story during the Chinese New Year when everyone is off and celebrating. I am allowed to post my feelings here just like everyone else, because I, like you, am a member here, also. I wasn't banning anyone, or warning anyone, or abusing my moderation rights, all I was doing was voicing my opinion.

I did the same thing with Ray Samuels. Also the same thing in the Whiplash threads last year, because people were complaining about Craig (who is also my friend) not responding to e-mails, when he was at CES or RMAF. 5 years ago, when Head-Fi was a smaller community and people knew me better, and knew that everything I did was for the benefit of Head-Fi (hence, inventing the 1st National Meet), I didn't get complaints like this, and my actions were the same. I guess this is a part of our growing pains. So it's all relative. But like I said, my door is always open to non-aggressive PM's to me to discuss issues on Head-Fi or any of my actions. The only thing that Mods are not allowed to discuss is bans and posts pertaining to those bans. That is not my rule, but a Head-Fi rule, none-the-less.

Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by immtbiker 

Jian's comment about being Chinese and proud of a chinese company making it, falls under the category of  "No conversations about politics, religion or race" and for a while a year back, members were getting banned about broaching the subject in violation of the TOU. Race had nothing to do with the subject.

 

"Chinese" is a nationality, not a race. according to your interpretation, any post proclaiming pride by Americans in "made in the USA" products, of which there are many, would also be in breach of the TOU and subject to bans, no?