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post #1996 of 15471
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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

AI want to clarify something - I am NOT saying that any old speaker amp will drive the HE-6 better than a really good headphone amp. It's probably not that simple. I found that the Leben sounds better with the HE-6 via the speaker taps than the headphone out. But the Leben is a really killer speaker amp, not any old run of the mill jobbie. I have not tried a cheap stereo speaker amp. Not sure whether that would sound better than something like the Woo WA2 or not. I don't have a suitable cheap speaker amp to try it with.







I hope no one would even consider putting a crapy speaker amp on these. A crapy speaker amp is the same as a crapy headphone amp; they are both crap. The point myself and others were trying to make is you don't need to spend a small fortune on a speaker amp that will be a good match. I think it would cost far less to drive them to their potential than it would cost to drive the hd800s to their full potential.
post #1997 of 15471


 

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Originally Posted by Skylab View Post

I want to clarify something - I am NOT saying that any old speaker amp will drive the HE-6 better than a really good headphone amp. It's probably not that simple. I found that the Leben sounds better with the HE-6 via the speaker taps than the headphone out. But the Leben is a really killer speaker amp, not any old run of the mill jobbie. I have not tried a cheap stereo speaker amp. Not sure whether that would sound better than something like the Woo WA2 or not. I don't have a suitable cheap speaker amp to try it with.


I am glad you have said this, It needs to be said.

 

Just as my tricked out WA6SE (btw its more powerful than the WA22/WA2) will drive the HE6 as far as loudness goes, it will not take these inefficient (as far as power goes) headphones to there full potential.

 

Yes the HE6 is much better with music 2ch CD's, SACD's, MP3's than the very high bit rate M/C  with my WA6SE. As were my WA5LE with the right tubes and the fact that it not only has the power to drive the HE6 also it has unlimited band width, and given the fact that it is designed (headphone amp Class A circuitry in a lot of head amps) to use headphones (Binaural) 2Ch.

 

I am not suggesting you buy a big buck head amp like the WA5/LE, as I have said in my case it was just blind luck that I already had this head amp and tubes. But maybe some of you gear heads that understand speaker amps and there circuitry will suggest why a particular speaker amp works well with the HE6's, as apposed to it blows me away.


Edited by sillysally - 12/18/10 at 7:46pm
post #1998 of 15471

Is there a recommended way to go from power amp(speaker) outputs to the TRS jack of the HE's?

post #1999 of 15471

I agree, I wouldn't just pair the HE-6 with any old speaker amp. There are so many used speaker amps out there in the $500 or less price range, to name a few good SS brands - Proceed, Rotel, Adcom, Acurus, Bryston, Quad, Motif, etc... But they can be big and heavy.

post #2000 of 15471

In the TRS, the ground is common on both channels. In power amps, they may not necessarily be common which means you cannot tie them together.
 

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Originally Posted by Angaria View Post

Is there a recommended way to go from power amp(speaker) outputs to the TRS jack of the HE's?

post #2001 of 15471

It's easier to go from the XLR anyways (and obviously better).

post #2002 of 15471

I've finally decided to make a speaker tap adapter as well and compared the Roc SA to my speaker amp, a Harman/Kardon HK680. Not exactly a high end amp, but I figured it should be decent enough... well, I was wrong.

 

The most obvious change going to the HK amp was bass - there was much more of it, but it was muddy and uncontrolled bass, covering the other frequencies. On the Roc-SA there is less bass overall, but controlled and very accurate.

On the speaker amp the midrange had more presence, but the overblowing bass made the mids less enjoyable. Also, the soundstage was narrower and not very accurate.

On a side note, I never heard any "blank spots" in the soundstage with the Roc SA (although instrument placement can be a bit odd sometimes).

 

On the other side, the HK680 did tame the highs of the HE-6 somewhat. With the Roc SA, I noticed some sibilance with a few recordings. This seems to be caused by the recording itself though (even the Senn HD600 showed some sibilance with the particular recordings), but the HE-6 highlights these parts more.

With the HK amp now, the highs had less presence and were smoother, which also reduced (not removed) the sibilance to an extent.

 

Conlusion: As others have written before, it seems that not every speaker amp will make the HE-6 sound good. I can imagine that, with a nice speaker amp, the HE-6 can sound great.

In my case however, the Roc SA does a much better job than the HK amp. When I first bought the audio-gd amp, I didn't think I would ever need the 4.5 WpC the amp can deliver, but now it seems it was the right choice after all :)

post #2003 of 15471

I just received my HE-6 (I am a fan of overnight shipping from China) and have only had a short while to listen to them so far. Using my friend's Compass as a source and my EF-5 (dual AD797BR and Mullard "long plate" 12AU7) I immediately noticed the improvement from the 5LE in treble extension and bass detail. Definitely worth the upgrade and they're not even burned in yet!

post #2004 of 15471

Have you tried the high gain on the ROC SA ?

that pushes 9w into 60 Ohms
 

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Originally Posted by Mad Dude View Post

I've finally decided to make a speaker tap adapter as well and compared the Roc SA to my speaker amp, a Harman/Kardon HK680. Not exactly a high end amp, but I figured it should be decent enough... well, I was wrong.

 

The most obvious change going to the HK amp was bass - there was much more of it, but it was muddy and uncontrolled bass, covering the other frequencies. On the Roc-SA there is less bass overall, but controlled and very accurate.

On the speaker amp the midrange had more presence, but the overblowing bass made the mids less enjoyable. Also, the soundstage was narrower and not very accurate.

On a side note, I never heard any "blank spots" in the soundstage with the Roc SA (although instrument placement can be a bit odd sometimes).

 

On the other side, the HK680 did tame the highs of the HE-6 somewhat. With the Roc SA, I noticed some sibilance with a few recordings. This seems to be caused by the recording itself though (even the Senn HD600 showed some sibilance with the particular recordings), but the HE-6 highlights these parts more.

With the HK amp now, the highs had less presence and were smoother, which also reduced (not removed) the sibilance to an extent.

 

Conlusion: As others have written before, it seems that not every speaker amp will make the HE-6 sound good. I can imagine that, with a nice speaker amp, the HE-6 can sound great.

In my case however, the Roc SA does a much better job than the HK amp. When I first bought the audio-gd amp, I didn't think I would ever need the 4.5 WpC the amp can deliver, but now it seems it was the right choice after all :)

post #2005 of 15471

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Originally Posted by hawkhead View Post

Have you tried the high gain on the ROC SA ?

that pushes 9w into 60 Ohms

 

I did, however I am not sure if the 9W are per channel or combined - The audio-gd website doesn't seem to be too accurate regarding tech specs (when I purchased the amp, it said it had a 22W power output at 50Ω).

post #2006 of 15471

Probably was a miss print, what it says now for the ROC is Power Consumption is 22W.

 

Anyway once you tame the lows and highs then the mids will come out and your HE6 will really shine, sound stage, depth and placement. Its a matter of blending the lows mids and highs, as I have said it can be done and at that point then you have some very special headphones.

I should add that you still need a amp that has the power to bring out the details and probably a tube amp would also be of some benefit that has a good sound-stage.


Edited by sillysally - 12/19/10 at 5:07am
post #2007 of 15471

Mad Dude, your experience does not surprise me at all.  I think a good and powerful headphone amp will make the HE-6 sound better than a run-of-the-mill speaker amp.  The very best performance for the HE-6 seems to be using a really good speaker amp with them, but this is not a panacea. 

post #2008 of 15471


 

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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

At first I thought it came with a speaker amp cable but it didn't. I just made my own. You can cut and strip the cable but I wouldn't suggest it. That way you have both a speaker cable and the original hp cable with its TRS connector.
 

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Originally Posted by lyramax View Post

Do these headphones come with one amp, or with two amp cables (for head amp and speaker amp)?


 

Can you share the wiring info for the XLR end?
 

post #2009 of 15471

Pin 1 = L+

Pin 2 = L-

Pin 3 = R+

Pin 4 = R-

 

The pin numbers are printed on the front of the XLR socket. 
 


 

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Originally Posted by lyramax View Post

 

Can you share the wiring info for the XLR end?

post #2010 of 15471

Has anyone tried the apex peak with the HE-6?  If not, anyone familiar with the peak think it could drive the HE-6 sufficiently?  Thanks.

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