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post #17266 of 17280
Depending on the responses here, I may or may not have an issue with my HE-6, which I noticed upon receiving it.

I am not sure what it is called, but I am referring to the hard plastic piece just underneath the pads, that which holds the rings of the pads if one uses the rings. This piece itself is a black ring that is held in place by four screws.

What I found, compared to my HE-500 (which has several more than four screws), is that this piece with four screws lays very unevenly in the housing, so that the pads themselves are slightly bent inward toward the ear on the top and bottom of the ear, shaped concavely. This also compromises the seal of the pad to the housing itself. My HE-500's comparable piece is much more even and thus the pads are much better sealed to the housing and more comfortable. I should say I noticed this effect on both channels of the drivers.

If I unscrew the piece in the HE-6, this black plastic ring lays slightly flatter, but not as flat as it does in the HE-500's. I am wondering if this is an unfortunate side-effect of the HE-6 using only four screws, making the distribution of the screws inadequate to hold the piece evenly and flatly in place. Is this normal for the HE-6 to be uneven here, or do I have a defective piece? I can post pictures later when I get home. I have hesitated to attach the Vegans until I know how to fix this or whether it is a problem in the first place.

Thank you.
Edited by Liu Junyuan - 8/27/15 at 11:24am
post #17267 of 17280
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Originally Posted by Liu Junyuan View Post

Depending on the responses here, I may or may not have an issue with my HE-6, which I noticed upon receiving it.

I am not sure what it is called, but I am referring to the hard plastic piece just underneath the pads, that which holds the rings of the pads if one uses the rings. This piece itself is a black ring that is held in place by four screws.

What I found, compared to my HE-500 (which has several more than four screws), is that this piece with four screws lays very unevenly in the housing, so that the pads themselves are slightly bent inward toward the ear on the top and bottom of the ear, shaped concavely. This also compromises the seal of the pad to the housing itself. My HE-500's comparable piece is much more even and thus the pads are much better sealed to the housing and more comfortable. I should say I noticed this effect on both channels of the drivers.

If I unscrew the piece in the HE-6, this black plastic ring lays slightly flatter, but not as flat as it does in the HE-500's. I am wondering if this is an unfortunate side-effect of the HE-6 using only four screws, making the distribution of the screws inadequate to hold the piece evenly and flatly in place. Is this normal for the HE-6 to be uneven here, or do I have a defective piece? I can post pictures later when I get home. I have hesitated to attach the Vegans until I know how to fix this or whether it is a problem in the first place.

Thank you.
Later HE-6s have 6 screws like your HE-500. If you tape the pads directly to that ring, you will have no issues with the uneveness. My 4 screw HE-6 is also uneven so it's completely normal.

Same reason why I ditched the original pads.
post #17268 of 17280
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Originally Posted by FredrikT92 View Post
 

But then, would a 430HA be better then a 600i with HE-6? Or even 340i? 


But yeah for a new 600i money he could get ALOT of stuff! 

The Moon 600i blows the pants off the 430HA with the HE-6 -  No contest.

post #17269 of 17280
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Originally Posted by ohhgourami View Post

Later HE-6s have 6 screws like your HE-500. If you tape the pads directly to that ring, you will have no issues with the uneveness. My 4 screw HE-6 is also uneven so it's completely normal.

Same reason why I ditched the original pads.

Thank you very much for this response! I am relieved this is normal and that nothing is defective. There is no reason for me to delay any longer with applying the new pads.
post #17270 of 17280
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Originally Posted by Revogamer View Post

I'm thinking about a Moon 600i for these.. Why not?

This has long been on my mind also. It's this or the Pass Labs INT 30.8A for me...
post #17271 of 17280
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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

This has long been on my mind also. It's this or the Pass Labs INT 30.8A for me...
Didn't know an INT 30.8A has been released.
post #17272 of 17280
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Originally Posted by ohhgourami View Post

Didn't know an INT 30.8A has been released.

Ah, just an auto text error. I don't need an integrated.
post #17273 of 17280
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post
 

The 430HA is possibly one of the best amps I've heard with the HE-6 that isn't mondo backbreaking in size, and it has a dac options as well.

 

Hello everyone! Joining in because I plan on buying an HE6 soon. (You can read some of my history on my profile, if you like.)

 

Firstly, I wanted to say that I have only heard the HE6 from a MOON Neo 430HA so far. (With my own test tracks in most genres.) It sounded good, but did not impress me and did not sound visceral and exciting like everyone talks about; kinda lifeless, actually. Various HE6 owners basically tell me that this is a common thing with many headphone amps, including powerful ones, and that it's best to get a speaker amp instead to unlock its true potential. My guess is that it's because the HE6 needs a lot of current, which speaker amps provide. The fact that some higher-end speaker amps are designed better and reportedly sound better in general could be another reason.

 

I'm hoping the HE6 is capable of sounding a lot better than it did from the 430HA...because I strongly preferred the STAX SR-207 and Yamaha HPH-MT220 (both much more affordable headphones) over the HE6 from that setup. This will be my first time spending four figures on a headphone system, so I'm putting a considerable deal of trust into everyone's impressive impressions (lol) here.

 

To start with, I am planning on buying an Emotiva mini-X a-100 speaker amp, along with either a female 4-pin XLR to banana plug adapter cable or a headphone cable terminated with the banana plugs. (I'll upgrade the speaker amp eventually, of course.) If anyone can recommend speaker amps under $300 that sound better with the HE6 than that one, it would be greatly appreciated!

 

The next order of business is safety. I know there are risks involved when using a speaker amp with headphones, so any advice about that will help too.

 

Then there are modifications. I know about the grill mod and Fuzzor mod. I thought the damping and Fuzzor mod were the same thing, but apparently, there's something else involved...? And I think another mod is simply using different pads.

 

By the way, for those who don't know, the people at HIFIMAN told me that they changed the company name to all caps and also removed the dashes in the product names.

post #17274 of 17280
As far as the headphone with that particular amp you don't really need anything in between for safety. You just have to keep the volume knob at a safe range and you should be fine.
post #17275 of 17280
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

As far as the headphone with that particular amp you don't really need anything in between for safety. You just have to keep the volume knob at a safe range and you should be fine.

 

So I can just leave everything connected permanently? I heard it's a good idea to plug and unplug things in a very specific order, every time too, at least with certain speaker amps. With the speaker amp I'm using with my STAX, I leave everything connected and don't even bother turning the volume knob to zero when turning it on and off. But since the HE6 is so expensive, I would at least want to reduce the volume to zero before and after use, because I'm paranoid.

post #17276 of 17280
I just left everything on when I had the he6 and that amp. Everything is solid state so there really isn't an issue. I leave everything on with my current setup. The only times I've turned things off after use was when I had some kind of tube in between.
post #17277 of 17280
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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

I just left everything on when I had the he6 and that amp. Everything is solid state so there really isn't an issue. I leave everything on with my current setup. The only times I've turned things off after use was when I had some kind of tube in between.

 

Hmm. I'd rather save money on the electricity bill, though, as long as it's safe to turn it on and off while connected.

post #17278 of 17280
I doubt there's much savings but there shouldn't be an issue with that either if that's what you want to do. I always keep solid state on so I don't have to wait for the warmup.
post #17279 of 17280
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Originally Posted by Music Alchemist View Post




To start with, I am planning on buying an Emotiva mini-X a-100 speaker amp, along with either a female 4-pin XLR to banana plug adapter cable or a headphone cable terminated with the banana plugs. (I'll upgrade the speaker amp eventually, of course.) If anyone can recommend speaker amps under $300 that sound better with the HE6 than that one, it would be greatly appreciated!that will help too.


You can look into a Topping TP60 class T amp as well. Make sure you get the newer 2014 version with upgraded caps.

If you're uncomfortable with keeping the HE6 plugged in via taps. The Hifiman Adapter is a good consideration. You can just use the hifiman cable that comes with the 6. You do need to have wires to connect the Adapter to the amp outs...can be plain copper electrical wires, but you can spend more for 'hifi' speaker wires.

Mods: my preference is for ohhgourami's vegan with back felt mod. Spend the $60-80 for the Audeze pads and cut a 'donut' of felt. I use blutack instead of the double sided tape to stick the pads to the cups. Blutack is sticky enough and saves me a step of sealing in the bass.

If you find it has too much treble for your taste, go with the jerg fuzzor mod instead and the hifiman Alpha pads. But the fuzzor requires a bit more work.

But I find the HE6 treble to be one of the best there is.

Grill mod was worth it for me. Although some have done without any grill.

Hope that helps.
post #17280 of 17280
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Originally Posted by bitsnbytes View Post

You can look into a Topping TP60 class T amp as well. Make sure you get the newer 2014 version with upgraded caps.

If you're uncomfortable with keeping the HE6 plugged in via taps. The Hifiman Adapter is a good consideration. You can just use the hifiman cable that comes with the 6. You do need to have wires to connect the Adapter to the amp outs...can be plain copper electrical wires, but you can spend more for 'hifi' speaker wires.

Mods: my preference is for ohhgourami's vegan with back felt mod. Spend the $60-80 for the Audeze pads and cut a 'donut' of felt. I use blutack instead of the double sided tape to stick the pads to the cups. Blutack is sticky enough and saves me a step of sealing in the bass.

If you find it has too much treble for your taste, go with the jerg fuzzor mod instead and the hifiman Alpha pads. But the fuzzor requires a bit more work.

But I find the HE6 treble to be one of the best there is.

Grill mod was worth it for me. Although some have done without any grill.

Hope that helps.

 

Thanks for the info. I'll take it one step at a time, starting with EQ if desired, then experimenting with all the enhancements.

 

(The HE400i I owned had the grill mod, and I thought it sounded sort of like the HE1000...but I like the HE6 more, even when under-amped.)

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