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post #13846 of 14883
Mine are stock also, no particular desire to mod them, with the velours they pretty much suit me as is.
post #13847 of 14883

I've measured the velours and the pleathers inside dimensions. The velours are slightly wider than the pleathers so the pleathers tend to cover more area. The pleathers are also different in construction. It folds but the velours don't. I believe these are why the pleathers have less upper frequency energy.

post #13848 of 14883
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Have you tried modding your HE-6? The 3 mods you can do for the HE-6 fix all the "complaints" you have and bring it to a much closer level to the SR-009.

I've done the grill mod and have the Toxic Cables Silver Poison. Widened up the stage a bit but doesn't turn the HE-6 into a SR-009. The SR009 portrays music with such realism that is just unparalleled by any other headphone, save perhaps the Orpheus, Omega, R10 and Qualia which I've not heard yet. I've heard almost every other flagship there is. The transients, micro dynamics and tonality can't be touched by the HE-6. It's just that the most obvious problem with the HE-6 is how closed in it sounds. All the differences taken together, the SR-009 is in a different class. The best "proof" of this is the fact that I haven't been listening to the HE-6 much.

So no, I don't think further mods will turn the HE-6 much closer to the SR-009. Besides I don't have the time.

The real question is whether everyone with a HE-6 should buy a SR-009. If you can afford to buy it and a top end amp, why not. In fact, I think my Woo WA5 might be the limiting factor here. But considering the price difference between the HE-6 and SR-009, I'd say my pair of HE-6 does probably 80 percent of what the SR-009 achieves. Factoring in price, I could see many people being content with say a HE-6 / HD800 instead, particularly HD800 because it beats the SR009 noticeably in comfort, soundstage and (arguably) imaging. The HE-6, as I said, is everyman's SR-009 and sounds in many ways more similar to it than the HD800, perhaps due to planar drivers. They both have more meat and punch than the HD800, better midrange and are more tolerant in the highs. A few of my friends who have heard the three headphones in my rig have said that the HE-6 sounds similar to the SR-009 though preferring the SR-009, which is a testament to how amazing the HE-6 really is.
Edited by lojay - 6/29/14 at 4:16pm
post #13849 of 14883
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

That closer soundstage and punchiness is what I like about the HE-6. I don't listen much to orchestras, I prefer small ensembles, small jazz band, concert pianos (Horowitz) and classic rock. As far as comfort, I'm used to it, even from the beginning.

The SR009 can achieve that too where the recording calls for it. I think the HE-6 might rock better esp with metal, given it's stronger "bite", but hard rock/ metal is not my cup of tea.

On an ending note, I don't suppose you can "prefer" the HE-6 over the SR-009 purely from my comments. Different system, mods or no mods, different ears. But I'd be hard pressed if after living with the two headphones one would seriously prefer the HE-6, that's just me. It's a shame that very few get to try the SR-009 and BHSE before buying them.
Edited by lojay - 6/29/14 at 4:10pm
post #13850 of 14883
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The SR009 can achieve that too where the recording calls for it. I think the HE-6 might rock better esp with metal, given it's stronger "bite", but hard rock/ metal is not my cup of tea.

On an ending note, I don't suppose you can "prefer" the HE-6 over the SR-009 purely from my comments. Different system, mods or no mods, different ears. But I'd be hard pressed if after living with the two headphones one would seriously prefer the HE-6, that's just me. It's a shame that very few get to try the SR-009 and BHSE before buying them.

 

Different technologies. I don't think the orthos can match the electrostats. I used to have ribbon speakers. There is a similarity with orthos except ribbons are pleated, orthos are not. Even using the same diaphragm , the orthos would be heavier because the voice coil is deposited on the diaphragm. The electrostats would be faster starting, stopping and response wise. It weighs less.

post #13851 of 14883

Lots of us have heard almost every flagship there is. :cool:  Not sure why that's important.  

 

What it comes down to is preference, what kind of music you like and how you want that music to sound.  The problem for me is the 009s and the HD800s lack body, soul, emotion, euphony and richness.  

 

This is why I like the HE-6 so much - it gives all of what I'm looking for.  No doubt the 009s are a great headphone.  However, they don't jive with all types of music same with the HD800.  I also find the HD800 soundstage to be great with large orchestras but not so good with Jazz Trios and such.  The 009s are kind of in-between.   

 

Mids: The 009s can sometimes give you too much of a good thing.  What I mean is when your listening to the 009s you want to pick the music apart - not just sit back and enjoy it.  Like Female Vocals -  Yes the mids and vocals on the 009s are crystal clear.  However, the mids and vocals on the HE-6 are very seductive while at the same time being very clear as well.  Crystal clear is not enjoyable for me.   

 

Imaging:  Because of the large sound stage on the HD800 IMO the imaging is off on certain types of music.  It's kind of a flip flop thing.  Large scale orchestras = HD800, Smaller Jazz ensembles HE-6,  009s does well with both - not better - but very well.

 

Bass: - No contest at all..  

 

Treble / highs:  Well we all know a properly drive HE-6 has some of the best highs out there.  However, just like the HD800 you have to work to get them right.  The treble / highs on the 009 are in a league of there own.  

 

So should every body here buy the 009s?  Not if your looking for euphony or emotion..  If you want the best at technicalities - the 009s are the headphone for you.

 

I canceled my BHSE order.  I did an extensive listening session with it and the 009s.  While I loved to combo I just couldn't set back and relax.  I want to try the Electra / 009s next.  The HE-6 has gotten my spoiled with it's richness and soul.  It's hard to listen to headphones that are just to technical.  That's also why I've ordered the Eddie Current 445.  I want to see what the fuss is about...


Edited by preproman - 6/29/14 at 4:44pm
post #13852 of 14883
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Lots of us have heard almost every flagship there is. :cool:  Not sure why that's important.  

 

What it comes down to is preference, what kind of music you like and how you want that music to sound.  The problem for me is the 009s and the HD800s lack body, soul, emotion, euphony and richness.  

 

This is why I like the HE-6 so much - it gives all of what I'm looking for.  No doubt the 009s are a great headphone.  However, they don't jive with all types of music same with the HD800.  I also find the HD800 soundstage to be great with large orchestras but not so good with Jazz Trios and such.  The 009s are kind of in-between.   

 

Mids: The 009s can sometimes give you too much of a good thing.  What I mean is when your listening to the 009s you want to pick the music apart - not just sit back and enjoy it.  Like Female Vocals -  Yes the mids and vocals on the 009s are crystal clear.  However, the mids and vocals on the HE-6 are very seductive while at the same time being very clear as well.  Crystal clear is not enjoyable for me.   

 

Imaging:  Because of the large sound stage on the HD800 IMO the imaging is off on certain types of music.  It's kind of a flip flop thing.  Large scale orchestras = HD800, Smaller Jazz ensembles HE-6,  009s does well with both - not better - but very well.

 

Bass: - No contest at all..  

 

Treble / highs:  Well we all know a properly drive HE-6 has some of the best highs out there.  However, just like the HD800 you have to work to get them right.  The treble / highs on the 009 are in a league of there own.  

 

So should every body here buy the 009s?  Not if your looking for euphony or emotion..  If you want the best at technicalities - the 009s are the headphone for you.

 

I canceled my BHSE order.  I did an extensive listening session with it and the 009s.  While I loved to combo I just couldn't set back and relax.  I want to try the Electra / 009s next.  The HE-6 has gotten my spoiled with it's richness and soul.  It's hard to listen to headphones that are just to technical.  That's also why I've ordered the Eddie Current 445.  I want to see what the fuss is about...

Thanks, that's quite helpful coming from someone who's heard the BHSE (and a large share of flagships :D). I think it depends on the amp and at the end of the day and how you set up your system. My downstream components are euphonic. I have the DP-777 that you also have. The WA5 with the right tubes adds that mid-range 300B seductiveness to the SR-009. As far as euphony is concerned, the SR-009 is more euphonic than the HD800. I would say that HE-6 is slightly more euphonic than the SR-009, but not by much (maybe given the tubes have added quite an amount of flavour already). 

 

A testament to how much I like the SR-009 with my current setup is that I can use it to listen to tracks on Spotify without nitpicking on the imperfections. I am able to do that with with the HE-6 much much less so with the HD800, which is pretty much lifeless.

 

What I find quite surprising though, is how you seem to think that the HE-6 is a euphonic headphone. I think it is quite neutral but adds a touch of euphony. I thought that the LCD3 and TH900 were by far more coloured.


Edited by lojay - 6/29/14 at 5:24pm
post #13853 of 14883
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

 

Different technologies. I don't think the orthos can match the electrostats. I used to have ribbon speakers. There is a similarity with orthos except ribbons are pleated, orthos are not. Even using the same diaphragm , the orthos would be heavier because the voice coil is deposited on the diaphragm. The electrostats would be faster starting, stopping and response wise. It weighs less.

Yes different technologies that's fair comment. The HE-6 perhaps lacks the airiness for that reason. But the SR-009 can kick a punch no doubt about it. Just don't use the Stax amps (apart from T2 perhaps) and you are fine.

post #13854 of 14883
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I've done the grill mod and have the Toxic Cables Silver Poison. Widened up the stage a bit but doesn't turn the HE-6 into a SR-009. The SR009 portrays music with such realism that is just unparalleled by any other headphone, save perhaps the Orpheus, Omega, R10 and Qualia which I've not heard yet. I've heard almost every other flagship there is. The transients, micro dynamics and tonality can't be touched by the HE-6. It's just that the most obvious problem with the HE-6 is how closed in it sounds. All the differences taken together, the SR-009 is in a different class. The best "proof" of this is the fact that I haven't been listening to the HE-6 much.

So no, I don't think further mods will turn the HE-6 much closer to the SR-009. Besides I don't have the time.

The real question is whether everyone with a HE-6 should buy a SR-009. If you can afford to buy it and a top end amp, why not. In fact, I think my Woo WA5 might be the limiting factor here. But considering the price difference between the HE-6 and SR-009, I'd say my pair of HE-6 does probably 80 percent of what the SR-009 achieves. Factoring in price, I could see many people being content with say a HE-6 / HD800 instead, particularly HD800 because it beats the SR009 noticeably in comfort, soundstage and (arguably) imaging. The HE-6, as I said, is everyman's SR-009 and sounds in many ways more similar to it than the HD800, perhaps due to planar drivers. They both have more meat and punch than the HD800, better midrange and are more tolerant in the highs. A few of my friends who have heard the three headphones in my rig have said that the HE-6 sounds similar to the SR-009 though preferring the SR-009, which is a testament to how amazing the HE-6 really is.

 

Vegan pads also do a lot for the HE-6. You'd be surprised by how much it opens them up.

 

I haven't listened to an SR-009 in a long time, but from what I recalled that even though a lot was technically superior [to my setup at the time], it sounded ethereal/fake. It also didn't recreate that image like my current setup. I'd like to have the chance to listen to one with a BHSE to judge again now that my ears are better than they were 2 years ago.

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Does euphony = colored?   uumm  maybe - never thought of it like that.  The LCD-3s are way to thick and the TH900s has a mid range suck out.  

 

HE-6 colored? no but they have weight to the music, even off a SS amp - not sure how they sound off tube amps.  The BHSE is a hybrid amp so it can get pretty technical at times.  Not sure how the Woo Wee compares to the BHSE..  Or even how the WA5 compares to speaker amps for the HE-6.  We might be hearing different things..

post #13856 of 14883
I'd like to throw in the SR 007mk1 to the mix. Prep, how does it compare to the 6? I have a very good stat amp the KGSSHV.
post #13857 of 14883

Pretty good - I like them a lot.  Sometimes I would pick the 007s mk1 over the 009s.  However, the 007s can sound veiled at times and the treble sound shelved at times..

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Pretty good - I like them a lot.  Sometimes I would pick the 007s mk1 over the 009s.  However, the 007s can sound veiled at times and the treble sound shelved at times..
Thanks. I'm a one-horse show. Only classic rock. That's the reason I went for the 007. Since subscribing to this thread, I'm obviously intrigued. Anyway, my friend is lending me his 6 so I should be able to hear it for myself.
post #13859 of 14883

What Amp and DAC?

post #13860 of 14883
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

Does euphony = colored?   uumm  maybe - never thought of it like that.  The LCD-3s are way to thick and the TH900s has a mid range suck out.  

 

HE-6 colored? no but they have weight to the music, even off a SS amp - not sure how they sound off tube amps.  The BHSE is a hybrid amp so it can get pretty technical at times.  Not sure how the Woo Wee compares to the BHSE..  Or even how the WA5 compares to speaker amps for the HE-6.  We might be hearing different things..

 

I do not like the LCD3s and TH900s either. The HE-6 is very well-balanced to my ears, just as is the SR-009 on my setup. 

 

I kind of get where you are coming from. The bass I've heard from the HE-6 driven by the Hifiman dedicated SS amp (EF1?) was pretty amazing but it sounded even more closed in than my set up. I wish I can hear the HE-6 to its full potential. Though quite a number of people seem to think the HE-6 matches well with the WA5 (DG and Frank I to name a few) I think there are just too many speaker amps that could drive the HE-6 amazingly and it is likely that they will all sound different. 

 

I'm very interested in the 445, do let us know how it is when you get it! I'm sure you'll get it sooner than my BHSE. 

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