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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

I own a V200.  Use it in my European residence.  Very briefly my impressions which are just mine but though I say so myself:   I'm not into fanboyism and not shy to admit expensive mistakes.

 

Headphone amp wise it's powerful.  The build and engineering that went into it are top notch and the designer (Fried Reim) is above all an engineer and (a very distant second, the man is sometimes to honest for his own good) only secondly, a salesman).  It has hardware gain dipswitches on the back that can prove very useful and for a headphone amp it delivers quite a punch.

 

One point of criticism if you feed it via the USB plug-in module:  the USB implementation is a bit outdated.  Soundwise it sets down a strong performance with just a hint of warmth but not overly so.  I compared it to a Burson conductor and Antelope Zodiac Gold.  Sticking to a misplaced european character analogy to illustrate things:  if the conductor is a cool Brit/Scandinavian on some speed then the Antelope is a flighty, airy but superficial Italian and the V200..well...a German I guess:  utterly reliable, friendly, strong but not the summum of finesse and micro-detail.

 

Horses for courses, a lot depends on your music taste/headphones owned and how you like your sound + your philosophy on if/where in the chain any colouring should happen.

 

For a combo with the HE-6 of the 3 amps mentioned I'd only consider the Vio, frankly.  Does it work?  Yes.  You can get it plenty loud without distortion and certainly won't kick yourself if this is the only amplification you have.  Is it ideal or 'the best', whatever that may be?  No, with the right speaker amp you can do better.  Impossible to quantify but to my ears it's about those last 10%.  But youy need to pair it wirth the speaker amp that's right for you because it's possible to do a bit better than with the V200 but imo it's also possible to pick a combo that will be plenty powerful but will sound a lot worse.

 

Would I purchase it again?  Well, if I could only own one single amp then yes, although I'd go for its successor -the V281- which will come out in june and which is set to deliver about 4 W into 50 Ohm with a 30V or so swing (balanced).

 

Given the fact that I can afford multiple amps I'd stick to a neutral, low-power speaker amp for the 6 and something with a bit more neutral and lighter/more detailed presentation than the V200 for the other cans, at least as far as the ss headphone amp camp is concerned.

 

Thanks for the insight mate, actually one of the main reason why I'm considering the V200 is because I don't fancy the hassle of balancing the T1. I'd like to stay with SE output amps, and should the V200 makes for a good pairing with the HE-6 it would certainly be a strong contender as my amp candidate.

post #13352 of 19433
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Originally Posted by Audio Jester View Post

So is there an updated HE-6 on the horizon? I am tempted to get the HE-6, but if they can squeeze some more goodness out of it I'm interested.

 

By the looks of the newly designed HE-560s we may be due for a some kind of update  But when is the question.  

 

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I have a BHSE on order. Does that answer your question?
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I'm in the same boat.  However, I've been here before.  I waited for a GS-1 (got it eventually), then I waited for the GS-X that became the GS-X mk2 while I was waiting. I foolishly sold the GS-X mk2 and HD800s because the F1J / HE-6 was better.  

 

I missed the HD800s for the "ONE" thing it does better than the HE-6.  I luckily got my same Hardwired pair back.  Now I'm back on the list for another GS-X mk2 and the BHSE.

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By the looks of the newly designed HE-560s we may be due for a some kind of update  But when is the question.  

I'm in the same boat.  However, I've been here before.  I waited for a GS-1 (got it eventually), then I waited for the GS-X that became the GS-X mk2 while I was waiting. I foolishly sold the GS-X mk2 and HD800s because the F1J / HE-6 was better.  

I missed the HD800s for the "ONE" thing it does better than the HE-6.  I luckily got my same Hardwired pair back.  Now I'm back on the list for another GS-X mk2 and the BHSE.
Another sucker for punishment. LOL. beerchug.gif
post #13354 of 19433
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

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I'm in the same boat.  However, I've been here before.  I waited for a GS-1 (got it eventually), then I waited for the GS-X that became the GS-X mk2 while I was waiting. I foolishly sold the GS-X mk2 and HD800s because the F1J / HE-6 was better.  

 

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Prep,

 

are you implying the F1J/HE6 was better synergistically than the GS-X/HD 800 or is it your opinion that the F1J was better than the GS-X ? Also, what does the HD-800 do better than the HE6 ? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

Prep,

 

are you implying the F1J/HE6 was better synergistically than the GS-X/HD 800 or is it your opinion that the F1J was better than the GS-X ? Also, what does the HD-800 do better than the HE6 ? Thanks.

 

I guess the answer to that is yes.  To my ears, the F1J / HE-6 does more things better with a larger verity of music.  The HD800 is mainly for the soundstage buffs.

 

However, now that Happy Camper introduced me to the two different mods for the HE-6 - it could be a different ball game.  

 

HC will get my pair of HD800s to compare with his Modded HE-6.  Then I'll do the same on my end.  

post #13356 of 19433
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

I guess the answer to that is yes.  To my ears, the F1J / HE-6 does more things better with a larger verity of music.  The HD800 is mainly for the soundstage buffs.

 

However, now that Happy Camper introduced me to the two different mods for the HE-6 - it could be a different ball game.  

 

HC will get my pair of HD800s to compare with his Modded HE-6.  Then I'll do the same on my end.  

Did you mod the HD 800 as well ? I specifically refer to the Anax mod. Thanks.

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Only Hardwire.  I heard two HD800s with the Anax mod.  That mod is not for me.  It took away to much of what I like about the HD800.

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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

This is true.  I compared my LCD2 with O2 and my Beta 22.  Although LCD2 is loud enough, you hear a hollow sound coming from the plate like the low quality headphones that has crap FR?  Not that exteme, but it's noticible if you switch from Beta to to the O2.  To me, it sounds like the plate is vibrating, but not enough.  To put it, it's not outputting enough dynamic range, it's cramped.  

 

As far as loudness for the HE-6.  I was thinking of sensitivity being all equal and Power is V^2/R, and given 10V input, you get more power input with less ohms, which translates to more loudness. 

It's not a plate lol, it's an extremely thin flexible high-tension membrane.

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The AKG headphones had that huge soundstage. IMO, if the soundstage has no borders but fade into diffuse sound, it doesn't meet my idea of a realistic presentation. So the question becomes at what point does soundstage become a gimmick? Is it better or just different?
post #13360 of 19433
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Hi HE-6 owners, has anyone here tried the HE-6 with Violectric V200? What do you think of the pairing? Can the V200 powers the HE-6 adequately? Thanks

I own both and while the V200 can power "OK" the HE-6 it does not take them to their potential. I really like the V200 with all my other dynamic headphones (HD800, T1, Focal FSP, W3000ANV) and even with the new Oppo PM-1.

post #13361 of 19433
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

It's not a plate lol, it's an extremely thin flexible high-tension membrane.

That's what I mean by plate.  :evil: membrane plate. :veryevil:  Anyway, kidding aside, the membrane is some thin conducting material that responds to magnetic fields?  Yeah, plate is rigid and membrane is more fluid.

 

Since I got the Beta 22, I want to try K701 and see if it sounds any different from crap amps. What do you guys think, does the K701 scale up?

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Originally Posted by Audio Jester View Post

This leads me to my next question, has anyone directly compared the 009 and the HE-6? Does the Hifiman offer a very different signature? Thanks.

I own both. I power the HE-6 with a Threshold T50 speakers amp (50 watts/ch Class A) and the SR009 with a Stax 727 MkII (for now).

IMO they are two different animals with their own pros and cons. To me the SR009 is more transparent and with a bigger soundstage but leaner in the bass. Their presentation to me is like if the music is coming from many different places, very open and natural. On the other hand the HE-6 IMO has a lot more bass impact and goes deeper. The soundstage is not as big. It is also transparent but not at the level of the SR009.

 

IMO the HE-6 are more for fun listening and the SR009 are for more critical/analytic listening. I think the HE-6 are up to their potential with the Threshold but I am sure the SR009 with one of the "exotic" amplifiers will escalate to a higher level.

post #13363 of 19433
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post
 

I own both. I power the HE-6 with a Threshold T50 speakers amp (50 watts/ch Class A) and the SR009 with a Stax 727 MkII (for now).

IMO they are two different animals with their own pros and cons. To me the SR009 is more transparent and with a bigger soundstage but leaner in the bass. Their presentation to me is like if the music is coming from many different places, very open and natural. On the other hand the HE-6 IMO has a lot more bass impact and goes deeper. The soundstage is not as big. It is also transparent but not at the level of the SR009.

 

IMO the HE-6 are more for fun listening and the SR009 are for more critical/analytic listening. I think the HE-6 are up to their potential with the Threshold but I am sure the SR009 with one of the "exotic" amplifiers will escalate to a higher level.

Thank you for your comparisons.  I do not own the 009, but yes if would be nice to have wider stage with the HE-6, not sure how much the grill mod helps out with that.  I feel that interms of details, clarity, accuracy and natural tones, HE-6 does very well, but it's more intimate staged signature.  This was also mentioned by Tyll, and for PM phones, the stage is not known to be wide.  Compression of stage is noticible when I listen to my HE-6.  I see why I like to listen to intimate vocals with them because it provide lots of details and not dependent on stage.


Edited by SilverEars - 5/6/14 at 9:47am
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Well I've had the HE-6 for 3 months now although my setup has just been cemented for about a month now and I'm in love. There really isn't much more I could want out of a headphone. Anything else I could get is just for a change of pace and not for an upgrade. My setup for those who are curious is

 

Anker Astro Pro2 Battery > Beresford Bushmaster MKII DAC > Temple Audio Bantam Gold Speaker Amp (also powered by the battery) > Hifiman HE-6 with DHC Nucleotide custom copper cable

post #13365 of 19433
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Originally Posted by musicman59 View Post

I own both. I power the HE-6 with a Threshold T50 speakers amp (50 watts/ch Class A) and the SR009 with a Stax 727 MkII (for now).
IMO they are two different animals with their own pros and cons. To me the SR009 is more transparent and with a bigger soundstage but leaner in the bass. Their presentation to me is like if the music is coming from many different places, very open and natural. On the other hand the HE-6 IMO has a lot more bass impact and goes deeper. The soundstage is not as big. It is also transparent but not at the level of the SR009.

IMO the HE-6 are more for fun listening and the SR009 are for more critical/analytic listening. I think the HE-6 are up to their potential with the Threshold but I am sure the SR009 with one of the "exotic" amplifiers will escalate to a higher level.
Critical/analytic listening sounds sort of like work. Sure that is not what you meant but I do wonder if I would get the emotional impact out of the 009 as out of the he-6. I have only heard the 007 with woo stuff and it was intriguing but it did not engage me the way the he-6 does when paired with good equipment. Doubt I want to spend enough to find out, but who knows.
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