or Connect
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Summit-Fi (High-End Audio) › High-end Audio Forum › HifiMAN HE-6 Planar Magnetic Headphone
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

HifiMAN HE-6 Planar Magnetic Headphone - Page 878

post #13156 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

The Zana Deux won't do.  Not for the HE-6 anyway..

Prep...notice you have the First Watt...I assume that more than does the job?

post #13157 of 19433
The Rotels are 19 yrs old and when found can be had for about $550 a pair. In the day, they listed @ $700 each. The Rotels are settled for amps, meaning they are free and do a good job. In the universe that is speaker amps, I'd say a decent mid fi amp. Certainly not to be confused with many of the amps here. My comments about monoblocks and dual mono design is the performance you get out of them. During visits to the A/V stores, those designs sound the best.
post #13158 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

2 words -  "Speaker Amp" :D  :deadhorse:(in my case 3 words - Tube Speaker Amp). You used to run the HE-500 on the Emotiva Mini, right ? The HE-6 is somewhat similar but needs something with a bit more balls (other HE-6 owners who are more technically inclined can jump in with a more technical explanation ;))

 

The HD 800 & HE-6 have given me the most headache amongst all my HP's in order to achieve good synergy with an amp.  But once you get that synergy....goosebumps.... nothing can touch them.

Shucks...I sold the 500...and I am concluding from your statement  that the Emo does not have the juice here. I noticed that both xenophon and preproman have the First Watt (or clone). And both of them have the HE6. Time to do some research. I am wary of importing more tubes into India. Last month I bought tubes worth ~ $200. I got slapped with $80 of customs duty. This just does not make sense.

post #13159 of 19433

Did HiFiMan make any revisons to the original HE-6?  I just listened to one that has a different metal joint connector, and the cable is not the copper see through.  It's noticeably sounds less detailed and not as refined, and vocals are not as forward, with more bass, and it wasn't because of the cables(I swapped and tried it).  Which makes me think he must have changed the HE-6 some point in time.  Such a noticeable difference.  If he did I can't believe he's selling the newer version off as HE-6 also as there is noticeable sonic difference.  When I say sound is unreal, I'm talking about the new version.

 

This explain why Tyll thought HE-6 sounded worse.  He must have heard the older version.  I heard it used to sell for 1k, now it's 1.3k, so possibly the 1.3k priced one is newer and better.  Also, I think the one I have, the newer one, is more sensitive than the other older one.

 

So, if you think HE-6 is hard to drive, you probably have the older version which I personally don't like.  I think the one I have been writing impressions about is the newest one since I just recently purchased, and it's very well worth it to have.  


Edited by SilverEars - 5/1/14 at 9:35pm
post #13160 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

2 words -  "Speaker Amp" :D  :deadhorse:(in my case 3 words - Tube Speaker Amp). You used to run the HE-500 on the Emotiva Mini, right ? The HE-6 is somewhat similar but needs something with a bit more balls (other HE-6 owners who are more technically inclined can jump in with a more technical explanation ;))

 

The HD 800 & HE-6 have given me the most headache amongst all my HP's in order to achieve good synergy with an amp.  But once you get that synergy....goosebumps.... nothing can touch them.

Shucks...I sold the 500...and I am concluding from your statement  that the Emo does not have the juice here. I noticed that both xenophon and preproman have the First Watt (or clone). And both of them have the HE6. Time to do some research. I am wary of importing more tubes into India. Last month I bought tubes worth ~ $200. I got slapped with $80 of customs duty. This just does not make sense.

 

my Krell KAV-400xi‏ is on it's way, I was hunting for used Krell or First watt F1/F1J amp.....after lot of search found used Krell which I can afford, now 6 more days of waiting and I should pretty much set.

post #13161 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Did HiFiMan make any revisons to the original HE-6?  I just listened to one that has a different metal joint connector, and the cable is not the copper see through.  It's noticeably sounds less detailed and not as refined, and vocals are not as forward, and it wasn't because of the cables(I swapped and tried it).  Which makes me think he must have changed the HE-6 some point in time.  Such a noticible difference.  If he did I can't believe he's selling the newer version off a HE-6 also.  

This explain why Tyll thought HE-6 sounded worse.  He must have heard the older version.  I heard it used to sell for 1k, now it's 1.3k, so possibly the 1.3k priced one is newer and better.  Also, I think the one I have, the newer one, is more sensitive than the other older one.

So, if you think HE-6 is hard to drive, you probably have the older version which I personally don't like.  I think the one I have been writing impressions about is the newest one since I just recently purchased, and it's very well worth it to have.  
The pre release price was $999 and went to $1299 upon release. The originals did have a different sound. I had them for about two years. They've since been replaced with a pair last summer.
post #13162 of 19433
Could be thatI'm wrong here but iirc the very first batch of HE-6 were even harder to drive, measuring 78 dB or something. Don't recall if Tyll measured up one of those first and I'm pretty sure these were pre production versions that didn't make it to the market except for reviews and trials. Anyway, his amp was the issue, it didn't have the juice. Which is why he wasn't impressed with the sound but at some later point he used good amplification and modified his first statement though he never became a total fan. But then treble isn't his thing, you should see his video review of the (terminally overpriced) ultrasone....hilarious!
post #13163 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post

Could be thatI'm wrong here but iirc the very first batch of HE-6 were even harder to drive, measuring 78 dB or something. Don't recall if Tyll measured up one of those first and I'm pretty sure these were pre production versions that didn't make it to the market except for reviews and trials. Anyway, his amp was the issue, it didn't have the juice. Which is why he wasn't impressed with the sound but at some later point he used good amplification and modified his first statement though he never became a total fan. But then treble isn't his thing, you should see his video review of the (terminally overpriced) ultrasone....hilarious!

Hi Xen,

I A/B'd the two yesterday, and they sound distinctly different.  This makes me wary of buying the HE-6 other than new since I know there is a different sounding version out there.  I guess, I will have to keep the new one rather than return it as I'm not sure if I'll end up with the other one I heard.  I really like the sound of the newer version.  It could also be that I got lucky, and mine was tuned well to my ears, although I hope there isn't that much variance between different HE-6 headphones.

 

The one that didn't sound that great could have been pre-production as the seller told me the seller bought it from a administrator here, so he could have gotten a hold of a pre-production one, and the one I have could be it.


Edited by SilverEars - 5/1/14 at 9:53pm
post #13164 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by musicinmymind View Post
 

my Krell KAV-400xi‏ is on it's way, I was hunting for used Krell or First watt F1/F1J amp.....after lot of search found used Krell which I can afford, now 6 more days of waiting and I should pretty much set.

 

Good to know you found one! Sorry to keep you waiting but Benchmark just won't release their damn amp! :rolleyes:

post #13165 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Hi Xen,

I A/B'd the two yesterday, and they sound distinctly different.  This makes me wary of buying the HE-6 other than new since I know there is a different sounding version out there.  I guess, I will have to keep the new one rather than return it as I'm not sure if I'll end up with the other one I heard.  I really like the sound of the newer version.  It could also be that I got lucky, and mine was tuned well to my ears, although I hope there isn't that much variance between different HE-6 headphones.

 

The one that didn't sound that great could have been pre-production as the seller told me the seller bought it from a administrator here, so he could have gotten a hold of a pre-production one, and the one I have could be it.

Silver,

 

what made "your" version better than what you suspect was an older one? Thanks

post #13166 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by kothganesh View Post
 

Silver,

 

what made "your" version better than what you suspect was an older one? Thanks

The sound of course.  It didn't sound as detailed and clear.  The one I have has more nuances going on on the sound(notice my post repeatedly talking about how revealing these are?), and the vocals are more forward with more details, but it has less bass(which I can change by increasing my volume, which increases the dynamics than the loudness). It didn't sound as refined and not that revealing.

 

The cable was different and the metal joint portion.  And the earpads that comes with it is the soft furry one, not the leather material that comes with mine.  As for the cable, mine was the copper see through twisted.


Edited by SilverEars - 5/1/14 at 10:12pm
post #13167 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post

Could be thatI'm wrong here but iirc the very first batch of HE-6 were even harder to drive, measuring 78 dB or something. Don't recall if Tyll measured up one of those first and I'm pretty sure these were pre production versions that didn't make it to the market except for reviews and trials. Anyway, his amp was the issue, it didn't have the juice. Which is why he wasn't impressed with the sound but at some later point he used good amplification and modified his first statement though he never became a total fan. But then treble isn't his thing, you should see his video review of the (terminally overpriced) ultrasone....hilarious!

The treble is not the fitiguing kind.  I don't see why he would have problem with HE-6's treble.  It's not the 800 or the 600.  It amazingly provides lots of details without the treble being too much.  I've heard too much treble like the 880 or the 701.  There are plenty of bad trebles.  HE-6 has the most perfect amount of treble I've heard.  Not intrusive and very detailed at the same time, which usually doesn't happen together a whole lot.
 


Edited by SilverEars - 5/1/14 at 10:30pm
post #13168 of 19433
I have tested The HE-6 with output impedances between 0-20 Ohm. The theoretical independence (due to nearly pure Ohm impedance) was proved by my ears. The HE-6 needs clean power and nothing more.
post #13169 of 19433
Quote:
Originally Posted by cucera View Post

I have tested The HE-6 with output impedances between 0-20 Ohm. The theoretical independence (due to nearly pure Ohm impedance) was proved by my ears. The HE-6 needs clean power and nothing more.

yes, it's a resistor.  :D  Flat as hell.  Try to beat that HD800!(this is why you need a colored amp for it, to make up for it's impedance hump.).  Yes, damping factor should not come into affect, since there is no resonance, like the dynamics.  :D  Get a nice good flat amp guys.


Edited by SilverEars - 5/1/14 at 11:47pm
post #13170 of 19433

I'm curious how important it is to the sonics to have the cable hardwired on the HE-6.   Is it a serious upgrade?  Also- I wonder if a good contact paint would have similar results.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: High-end Audio Forum
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Summit-Fi (High-End Audio) › High-end Audio Forum › HifiMAN HE-6 Planar Magnetic Headphone