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Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

+1

Well said Frank.

FWIW the HD800 cannot be well driven from a laptop either, they also need due care taken with regards to the chain.

I don't look at the HE-6 drive requirements as a fault as such, it's more like the headphone was designed from the perspective of being the best possible headphone without regard for amping difficulty, rather than a design outlook with constraints or a ceiling determined by headphone amps.

 

OK let's not start that here but you are totally wrong on that point. A half decent laptop jack has more than enough wattage to drive the HD800. Same goes for the Aude'ze. The Audeze even sounded good with a mere 4 bars (about 15% volume) on my mobile phone! (The HD800 doesn't sound as good on my mobile phone as it does on my computer however; not sure if it's the lack of amplification or the DAC).

 

Now, based on the evidence, Hifiman's own statements and the innerfidelity measurements, the HE-6 is a very unusually power hungry headphone (I might still buy it but not likely) that actually needs an amp, but the HD800 does not (unless your headphone jack is underpowered). My laptop's headphone jack puts out the same power as an O2 amp.


Edited by ag8908 - 2/28/14 at 5:50am
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I'm not sure what exactly your trying to prove here.  However, you seem to think power is the only requirement for these headphones.  Sure every last headphone can be driven from a laptop - no problem.  That does not mean every last headphone that's driven from a laptop "sounds good"  

 

What we do here is try our damnest to get these headphones to sound good.  That's where synergy comes in.  In almost all cases the HE-6 and the HD800 will "NOT" sound good or reach it's fullest potential from a laptop.  

 

Members have spent countless amount of hours trying to find good matches with these headphones.  Again, they will give you music out of anything (if you don't get clipping).  It's getting them to sound good or Should I say getting them to sound at a level of acceptance according to preference.


Edited by preproman - 2/28/14 at 6:30am
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I'm not sure what exactly your trying to prove here.  However, you seem to think power is the only requirement for these headphones.  Sure every last headphone can be driven from a laptop - no problem.  That does not mean every last headphone that's driven from a laptop "sounds good"  

 

What we do here is try our damnest to get these headphones to sound good.  That's where synergy comes in.  In almost all cases the HE-6 and the HD800 will "NOT" sound good or reach it's fullest potential from a laptop.  

 

Members have spent countless amount of hours trying to find good matches with these headphones.  Again, they will give you music out of anything (if you don't get clipping).  It's getting them to sound good or Should I say getting them to sound at a level of acceptance according to preference.

 

 

If there's enough power to get the driver to move to its full potential, for the db volume you listen to, then that's all you need. I listen at 60-65 db of volume, never more than 70 db and so I don't need more. I can see how someone who has lost hearing and needs to listen to headphones at 85-115 db would need more but in that case it would be better to call the amplifier a hearing aid.

 

You're free to imagine that a watt of energy is somehow different because it comes out of a $1,500 amp created by someone in his garage and sold to audiophiles for a huge markup but a watt is a watt. (technically there are subtle differences in the output by class D, F etc. amps as well as low priced and more expensive amps, e.g. noise, but nothing worth mentioning)

 

 

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P.S. let's not get into that here or the mods will probably step in due to thread hijack.

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If there's enough power to get the driver to move to its full potential, for the db volume you listen to, then that's all you need. I listen at 60-65 db of volume, never more than 70 db and so I don't need more. I can see how someone who has lost hearing and needs to listen to headphones at 85-115 db would need more but in that case it would be better to call the amplifier a hearing aid.

 

You're free to imagine that a watt of energy is somehow different because it comes out of a $1,500 amp created by someone in his garage and sold to audiophiles for a huge markup but a watt is a watt. (technically there are subtle differences in the output by class D, F etc. amps as well as low priced and more expensive amps, e.g. noise, but nothing worth mentioning)

 

 

 

So your here to pound in our heads that a watt is a watt - OK.  I agree.  Now you tell me this.  Does all amps sound the same?  You're stuck on volume levels.  I'm not sure why.  Again, yes every amp can get "most" headphones to ear splitting levels - I agree.  But every amp does not sound good doing it.

 

Please answer the above question.  Because in my experience of trying amps - I've tried a few.  Every amp has a different sound sig.  It just so happens the HE-6 is a current hungry headphone and requires a bit more power than your normal headphone.  When it's fed good the headphone will act good.  when it's not fed good it will tell you so. 

 

Symptoms of malnutrition HE-6:  Light bass attacks,  excessive high treble energy,  lethargic mid range.

 

Stop fighting the power fight because it's a moot point here.  Join us with the synergy struggle. :biggrin: 

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Prepoman is very correct. It is not just power especially with the hd800.
But even the he6 has a synergy as well. To get the most of these headphones there must be used with a proven amp.

Al
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Has anyone here listened to the F3 with the HE6. And if so what is your thoughts .
Al
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I have a rule that I find out where the headphone hits 65 db, and where it hits 70 db, and almost never go above 65 db, and never go above 70db. Generally I listen at 60-61 db or so.

 

So my observations only apply to those capped decibel levels. My O2 and laptop jack can't get the HD800 to go above about 85db, so if you're listening at that range I'm sure there will be issues.

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Not picking but if you really listen at whisper loudness how can anything be clearly depicted correctly. . So your opinions for me are moot. And I am not saying your a lier just not
For to take seriously . The sound prefer you speak of is a whisper .

Al
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Originally Posted by ag8908 View Post
 

I have a rule that I find out where the headphone hits 65 db, and where it hits 70 db, and almost never go above 65 db, and never go above 70db. Generally I listen at 60-61 db or so.

 

So my observations only apply to those capped decibel levels. My O2 and laptop jack can't get the HD800 to go above about 85db, so if you're listening at that range I'm sure there will be issues.

 

 

You didn't answer my question.  I'll ask again..  Does every amp sound the same?  Awaiting an answer to this.

 

So the most important thing in your mind is db levels?  OK - I both understand and respect that.  The most important thing to me is sound quality.  So we are not on the same page here.


Edited by preproman - 2/28/14 at 7:11am
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Has anyone here listened to the F3 with the HE6. And if so what is your thoughts .
Al

 

There have been past reports saying the J2 was a great amp "synergy" wise for the HE-6


Edited by preproman - 2/28/14 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Has anyone here listened to the F3 with the HE6. And if so what is your thoughts .
Al

 

There have been past reports saying the J2 was a great amp "synergy" wise for the HE-6

 

what about First Watt M2 120V, it is little bit cheaper

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You didn't answer my question.  I'll ask again..  Does every amp sound the same?  Awaiting an answer to this.
 

 

At 65 db on an HD800, most laptop amps will sound the same as a fancy expensive amp assuming the amp doesn't have some feature, e.g. bass boost, to color the sound.

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what about First Watt M2 120V, it is little bit cheaper

Worth a shot..

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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Not picking but if you really listen at whisper loudness how can anything be clearly depicted correctly. . So your opinions for me are moot. And I am not saying your a lier just not
For to take seriously . The sound prefer you speak of is a whisper .

Al


Have you ever measured the db at which you listen to headphones? It's really easy to do accurately with a db meter and a closed back or IEM. A little harder with an open back.

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