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post #12166 of 14883

Thank you very much for this very useful post!

post #12167 of 14883

I'll start the bashing :biggrin:

 

In the case of the HE-6 the amp IMO and YMMV should be the first item to be on the look out for.  Why?  because the amp is what going to drive it.  Do I go headphone amp, do I go speaker amp, do I go Vintage receiver - This is the question that should be answered.  

 

When I first got my HE-6 the only DAC I had was the Emotive XDA-1.  It allowed me to find the amp I needed.  After I found the amp I needed, I was able to "Roll DACS" to get a what I call a perfect fit for my rig.  DACs are a personal thing.  It takes time to find one you like.  

 

Also the Emotiva XDA-1 vs the rest of the DACs I've had 2K and above.  The difference was "NOT" dramatic at all.  Subtle differences here and there does add up.  DACs just takes a little more time to get right IMO.  

post #12168 of 14883

Another very useful post. Thank you!

post #12169 of 14883
Np but get other opinions as well.
Hello people chime in please
Al
post #12170 of 14883
I am out having habachi with my family.
BUT when I get back I would like to hash out the chicken or the egg
Situation here
LOL
AL
post #12171 of 14883
Personally, I'm between Al and Darryl here. I see value in both the DAC and the AMP. If we are talking headphones that are picky (i.e HE-6, HD800, etc.) I think both components need to be considered almost equally. This doesn't mean that you need to spend equal amounts of money per component. One thing that needs to be taken into account is how difficult to drive the HE-6 is. Its not only about power, but power and finesse combined. Finding that perfect amplifier per your preferences is what many here struggle with. Some feel the HE-6 need some coloration to sound their best, others don't and feel they are perfect as is. If you are one that finds the HE-6 near perfect for you, than the AMP decision isn't a hard one - just find a neutral amp with enough grunt and finesse and you are on your way. Others, like me, need to tweak their system to find the HE-6 agreeable. 
 
I would never recommend blowing your entire budget on a top class DAC and then spending the last few hundred on an amp. To me a DAC is a very personal choice. The reason being is the difference between DACs are not easily discernable in a matter of seconds, minutes, or hours. It takes days to evaluate and rank DACs even side-by-side. Hours on hours of critical listening is required, especially if you are comparing X $2000 DAC to X $2000 DAC. Now I do agree with Al when he says the difference between a $200 DAC and a $2000 DAC is drastic. In the realm of personal audio, the differences are pretty drastic. It is all about context here.

Edited by Greed - 2/23/14 at 1:31pm
post #12172 of 14883

I still have to hear drastic differences between any DACs and I sadly tried/owned quite a few.

I am mainly using a HRT Microstreamer those days. :D

post #12173 of 14883

I have a very "odd" diy dac: ODAC powered by a Salas BIB shunt supply! Sweeps sub-$1000 competition...

post #12174 of 14883
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Originally Posted by Greed View Post
 
In the realm of personal audio, the differences are pretty drastic. It is all about context here.

I'm not sure I understand what context your speaking of.  

 

Both with the HE-6:

 

The $200 Emotiva mini X (amp) vs. the $2K First Watt (amp)

 

The $200 Emotiva XDA-1 (DAC) vs. the $2K (PWD MKII)

 

I'm saying you will hear a more drastic difference between the amps opposed to the DACs - with the HE-6.  

 

With the HE-6 I could live with a First Watt amp and the XDA-1, I could not live with the Mini X and the PWD mkII

 

With the HE-6 the most important item is the amp..  IMO..:biggrin: 

post #12175 of 14883
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

I'm not sure I understand what context your speaking of.  

 

Both with the HE-6:

 

The $200 Emotiva mini X (amp) vs. the $2K First Watt (amp)

 

The $200 Emotiva XDA-1 (DAC) vs. the $2K (PWD MKII)

 

I'm saying you will hear a more drastic difference between the amps opposed to the DACs - with the HE-6.  

 

With the HE-6 I could live with a First Watt amp and the XDA-1, I could not live with the Mini X and the PWD mkII

 

With the HE-6 the most important item is the amp..  IMO..:biggrin: 

 

No.. no, I guess I should explain. Context as in, the difference between $200 DAC vs $2000 DAC is drastic in terms of audio improvements. But the word "drastic" can be taken out of context because normally, drastic means huge - and I don't see the differences as huge but if we comparing audio related components it is IMO. Still sounds confusing but I hope you get it now. 

 

As you upgrade your gear in this hobby whether it be headphones, amps, or dacs the differences are noticeable up to a certain point. That point is when diminishing returns starts to creep into the equation. $200 IMO is not even close, $2000 is more like it. 


Edited by Greed - 2/23/14 at 2:34pm
post #12176 of 14883
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Here is my observation and it is my opinion so people post but do not direct at me. .

Tubes add warmth but sacrifice some speed and details. They also unless very large like a woo WA5 or larger tap out with current. .
 

 

It is the nature of tubes that they do not provide much current, but you can parallel a bunch together or slap a transformer or something at the end.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

A DAC will make more of a overall improvement over an amp. Now given the amp is suitable . Here is an example. I have contemplated in buying and end all be all amp for the HE6. But I do not expect it to be a game changer . But if you have say a 200 DAC. and then buy a good 2k DAC the change will be dramatic.

 

 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

With the HE-6 the most important item is the amp..  IMO..:biggrin: 

 

I'm siding with Prepo here. My experience is that the amps make a bigger difference than dacs. Or rather, dacs hit diminishing returns far earlier in budget than amps do.

post #12177 of 14883

I don't know enough to weigh in sound-wise on the DAC/Amp priority discussion but from an economics point of view and given a fixed budget I'd tend to prioritise the amp if for nothing else than for the reason that DAC-technology and standards evolve more than amp technology (compare top of the line dacs from 10 years ago with a mid-line dac now for instance, then do the same with amps).

post #12178 of 14883
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

I don't know enough to weigh in sound-wise on the DAC/Amp priority discussion but from an economics point of view and given a fixed budget I'd tend to prioritise the amp if for nothing else than for the reason that DAC-technology and standards evolve more than amp technology (compare top of the line dacs from 10 years ago with a mid-line dac now for instance, then do the same with amps).

 

Very true.  Amp will last a very long time.  

post #12179 of 14883
Ok I am back to possible get a better understanding as to why the difference in opinions. So can someone here state the exact question. Simply because by the answers I have read . Either the question has changed or I am misunderstanding something. .
So help me understand please .
Al
post #12180 of 14883
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Ok I am back to possible get a better understanding as to why the difference in opinions. So can someone here state the exact question. Simply because by the answers I have read . Either the question has changed or I am misunderstanding something. .
So help me understand please .
Al

 

I agree, this is becoming a little convoluted.

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