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post #11671 of 14360
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

That is the whole point of my post we all get so obsessed with it being natural that we do not try to EQ to make it better.

Sound stage is a function of freq. Take the lcd3 or x. It does not have the sound stage that the he 6 has this is caused by the roll off of the upper freq . This is where we get staging cues. Try it and see. And using EQ is so much simpler then actual modding. And it can be played with till it is just right for your ears. Not everyone else's. .

Al

 

Smartest post I have ever read in a long time.  But remember...headphone "soundstage"...to try and emulate a speaker soundstage (which it is not supposed to) inevitably dilutes the purity of the tune.

post #11672 of 14360
This may be true of EQ with the he6. But it does greatly improve the LCD,s all,of them. The ldcX is the one the article picked to use. But the lcd3 improves greatly as well. It gives air and staging with out deluding things. But the open air does lead to listener fatigue in some cases. Where the LCD s being a little laid back makes them ideal to just listen . Now for me I always want the whole show so you know the rest.

Al
post #11673 of 14360

I think subjectivity has a lot to do with it.  Sometimes, I crave a little more bite from the LCD2s - but other times, the same track at the same volume sounds spot-on...so I find it really odd.  Nevertheless, its good to have a brighter alternative.

 

For me, though brightness doesn't always translate to a big soundstage - for eg the HF2.  I am always checking for separation of lower mids and the HF2 and D7000 can't do that.  Separation in the lower mids for me create a big soundstage...I always hear my LCD2s as having a huge soundstage...but no one else does - so I don't know.  I think we are listenong for different things.  The T1 for me had a very narrow soundstage bested by even the HD650s - but no one else hears that.

 

I know for a fact though, my preferred cues are for a big soundstage in the low mids - that's how I heard it when I was jamming.  I can pick out instruments better in space within the low mids and if they separate more, for me the soundstage increases.  For me - the HD650/LCD2 type sound has the best imaging possible.  But I can't seem to find anyone that hears it that way and it makes me look like some kinda shill.

 

And when I am jamming, I mean I can locate my band members by within the vicinity of the jamming area - imagine taking a stool, plonking it down right in front of the band and listening to them.  Which incidentally was my seating position very often.

 

But I'm certain that a lot of studio recordings are capturing this kind of sound in the studio.  And that this is how they want us to hear it.  Why?  Because we have no idea how the audience, nor do we care - we listen to each other and we are tripping ballz with the music we generate.  The studio hopefully will be able to relay what the musicians are really tripping to.


Edited by SP Wild - 2/1/14 at 12:52pm
post #11674 of 14360
Very true we all do hear different and like things many different ways. And our moods will effect how it sounds to us and effects us to change. But the overall separation of the instruments and vocals is function of the whole chain. Starting with the dac if digital audio is used. I recently bought a ultra hi end dac. And now i hear the music in ways not like before. So anything I change in the chain now becomes quickly obvious . And the overall limitations of the headphones and or speakers becomes apparent too.

Al
post #11675 of 14360

Someone here asked me for a direct comparison from the he6 to the stax009  . Well I am in my office doing just that .

amps are woo Wes for the stax and the woo WA5 for the he6  . And big thanks to frank I as turning me on to this WA5 .

all equipment has been turned on and heating up for 30 mins or more.

The dac used is an msb dac , playing rbcd to start and dsd as well. The immediate difference between the two is this . The stax is much more detailed but the he6 just has more body and as such makes it feel more real. the note decay is slower on the he6 and I think this causes the sound to change in this manner . As for stage the the stax may be a bit better but to close to say its a clear win. Now detail clearly is won by the stax . The amount of detail is staggering . The echo in the studio is clearly reverberated in a real sounding manner. the shshsh sounds in the voices, and the juice in the mail voices is depicted as you are right there looking at them perform. Now the he6 hits harder and this gives you a more euphoric sound to my ears. if you want to hear every little detail of the music the stax wins, but if you want to enjoy all that you hear the he6 is the crowd pleaser. Please excuse my grammar and spelling . I do try but just stink at writing. But do not let that be a definitive statement as to my understanding of this hobby.

 

AL

post #11676 of 14360
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post
 

Someone here asked me for a direct comparison from the he6 to the stax009  . Well I am in my office doing just that .

amps are woo Wes for the stax and the woo WA5 for the he6  . And big thanks to frank I as turning me on to this WA5 .

all equipment has been turned on and heating up for 30 mins or more.

The dac used is an msb dac , playing rbcd to start and dsd as well. The immediate difference between the two is this . The stax is much more detailed but the he6 just has more body and as such makes it feel more real. the note decay is slower on the he6 and I think this causes the sound to change in this manner . As for stage the the stax may be a bit better but to close to say its a clear win. Now detail clearly is won by the stax . The amount of detail is staggering . The echo in the studio is clearly reverberated in a real sounding manner. the shshsh sounds in the voices, and the juice in the mail voices is depicted as you are right there looking at them perform. Now the he6 hits harder and this gives you a more euphoric sound to my ears. if you want to hear every little detail of the music the stax wins, but if you want to enjoy all that you hear the he6 is the crowd pleaser. Please excuse my grammar and spelling . I do try but just stink at writing. But do not let that be a definitive statement as to my understanding of this hobby.

 

AL

Al, I love your posts......

post #11677 of 14360
Wmmm. I thinking its in a humerous way. Lmao. Spell check and a thesoures can't help me. I need that star track cpu woman now maybe she can make me scound halfway intelligent.

Thanks

Al
post #11678 of 14360
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Originally Posted by philo50 View Post
 
 

Al, I love your posts......

+1

I like the way ALRAINBOW gives us the dirt.... so we don't :p have to get dirty.

post #11679 of 14360

But... but... what if we like getting dirty? :eek:

post #11680 of 14360
Great post, nice to know I don't have to bother with the Stax gear.
post #11681 of 14360
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Very true we all do hear different and like things many different ways. And our moods will effect how it sounds to us and effects us to change. But the overall separation of the instruments and vocals is function of the whole chain. Starting with the dac if digital audio is used. I recently bought a ultra hi end dac. And now i hear the music in ways not like before. So anything I change in the chain now becomes quickly obvious . And the overall limitations of the headphones and or speakers becomes apparent too.

Al

 

I think the recording has a lot to do with it as well...some recordings are monitored with lean signatures.  Its always quite easy for me to tell when that is.

 

Because most of the musical information I seek to decode are in the mids, my locational cues begin immediately after bass...the start of the mid - low mid, If I hear ambience portray a certain distance, this ambience has to be consistent from low mids to high mids.  Anytime I hear inconsistencies in the ambience of  the mids - I know I have a mismatch in signature. 

 

Of course each note gives an emotion - the timing and arrangement of the note dictates how your emotion will flow - think soundstracks in movies driving each scene - each scene has an emotional message - these notes need to flow in the correct amplitudes to create an emotional effect - think conductor.

 

I don't know.  I think I might have spent too long strumming around C major.  The first thing anybody does when picking up a guitar is strum a c major chord and check for tuning.


Edited by SP Wild - 2/1/14 at 11:42am
post #11682 of 14360
Then we have to agree to disagree. If your mood is slumped a bit you may not like music wth depressing sounds like black sawn as an example. . I know for me mood has a big effect in my choices and how I hear them. another example is never go to the super market hungry you buy all the wrong food. This is true for most so mood effects us. But I do agree with your point but not in all cases.

Al
post #11683 of 14360

Well, I'm interested in the HE6 because I've never heard a planar that didn't do midrange well, and on the recordings that require a bit more top end, perhaps the HE-6 is the one, because it also measures flat in the mids.

 

I just did an experiment with my K701 and LCD2, here is a you tube video of piano chords:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh2diUQ8qeE

 

The LCD2 was far more accurate in reproducing the the lowest harmonics of these chords than the K701 which lacks bass.  I am hoping the HE-6 is better than the K701 in this regard. 

(really sounds like a real piano with the LCD2)

post #11684 of 14360
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Originally Posted by SP Wild View Post
 

Well, I'm interested in the HE6 because I've never heard a planar that didn't do midrange well, and on the recordings that require a bit more top end, perhaps the HE-6 is the one, because it also measures flat in the mids.

 

I just did an experiment with my K701 and LCD2, here is a you tube video of piano chords:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh2diUQ8qeE

 

The LCD2 was far more accurate in reproducing the the lowest harmonics of these chords than the K701 which lacks bass.  I am hoping the HE-6 is better than the K701 in this regard. 

(really sounds like a real piano with the LCD2)

 

There nothing better than the HE-6 for piano.

 

The LCD-X sound way too heavy and unnatural on my setup...

post #11685 of 14360
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post
 

Someone here asked me for a direct comparison from the he6 to the stax009  . Well I am in my office doing just that .

amps are woo Wes for the stax and the woo WA5 for the he6  . And big thanks to frank I as turning me on to this WA5 .

all equipment has been turned on and heating up for 30 mins or more.

The dac used is an msb dac , playing rbcd to start and dsd as well. The immediate difference between the two is this . The stax is much more detailed but the he6 just has more body and as such makes it feel more real. the note decay is slower on the he6 and I think this causes the sound to change in this manner . As for stage the the stax may be a bit better but to close to say its a clear win. Now detail clearly is won by the stax . The amount of detail is staggering . The echo in the studio is clearly reverberated in a real sounding manner. the shshsh sounds in the voices, and the juice in the mail voices is depicted as you are right there looking at them perform. Now the he6 hits harder and this gives you a more euphoric sound to my ears. if you want to hear every little detail of the music the stax wins, but if you want to enjoy all that you hear the he6 is the crowd pleaser. Please excuse my grammar and spelling . I do try but just stink at writing. But do not let that be a definitive statement as to my understanding of this hobby.

 

AL

 

Interesting, thanks!

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