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Just an update on some different amps and sources with the HE-6.

 

The EF5, like the WA22 drives the HE-6 just adequately (hence the EF6 project). The HE-6 gains a bit of an edge while losing some dynamics and becoming more mid-centric than with the WA22 but the basic problem is the same, no headroom.


It seems like not even the EF5 is good enough for the HE-6 confused_face.gif  Any news on the EF6?

 


Late Q1 2011 at the earliest
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Originally Posted by grokit View Post

Just an update on some different amps and sources with the HE-6.

 

The EF5, like the WA22 drives the HE-6 just adequately (hence the EF6 project). The HE-6 gains a bit of an edge while losing some dynamics and becoming more mid-centric than with the WA22 but the basic problem is the same, no headroom.


It seems like not even the EF5 is good enough for the HE-6 confused_face.gif  Any news on the EF6?

 


The EF5 is starting to grow on me with the HE-6, but I am looking forward to getting some more juice into them. It could be that the HE-6 itself are getting better to my ears, I will have to drag them back down to the WA22 to find out. I want to be blown away like I was with the protos through my speaker amp though, that happened right away during my time with them but it hasn't happened yet with the prodos.


I'm starting to think not including the speaker tap pig tail with the original order was a big mistake.
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OK, the problem is not as bad as I described it... I might have exaggerated a bit. And yes lol my cables were on the right way! But the imaging is still a bit strange to me. Like the Headphia review says, there is a problem with the center part. The headphonia review of HE6 and LCD2 is great btw, I agree with it all. I know the V100 may not be the ideal am 2200mw into 50 ohms), but it does an adequate job.  There is a lot I like about the HE-6 and a lot it does better than the LCD-2. I'm not slagging it off by any means. I just thought it more important to mention a possible downside when everybody has already covered the upsides.


You aren't the only one who has issues with the imaging. There have been multiple people mentioning it in this thread.
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btw, whatsa realiser?


The SVS Realiser is a processor/pre/DAC that will give you the illusion of a full blown speaker setup and room acoustics of any room/ hall you want to copy for use with headphones. It was created by Dr. Smyth the same guy that gave us DTS.

DOH!  i didn't recognize it w/o the Smyth name.  i heard the system at canjam a couple of years back and it was quite interesting (there was also a recent review in Stereophile if anyone's interested.).  if it's mimicking the sound of a given speaker/room system, shouldn't differences in phones and amps be minimized?  i mean wouldn't most high quality broad range set ups suffice (potentially saving a bunch of money on cans and amps)?
 


Yes there are differences in what Amp and Headphones you use. Its for this reason why Smyth wants you to have at-least the lower end STAX system. There are two processes in making what you hear from your headphones. The first is the copying of a sound system, the second is the copying of what your amp and headphones sounds like to you. Both of these processes are done by inserting the mics in your ear canal and then the generated test tones from the Realiser. The difference between the sound of the room and the sound of your amp and headphone is that the test tones are generated through your amp and headphones not the speaker system. Here is a link about what you are asking about and using the HE-6 with the Realize.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/497004/he-6-loaner-program/315#post_6851253

 

Here is a good link that explains the Realiser.

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/418401/long-awaited-smyth-svs-realiser-now-available-for-purchase/900#post_7015952

 

Also a nice plus with the Realiser is it does a great job with imaging, there again its because you are hearing the sound the way you hear it in real life.

So I will hear how well the HE-6s does with imaging using the Realiser also.


Edited by sillysally - 11/18/10 at 9:58pm
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No chipping on mine, David. And I've pretty well man handled the headband removing the clamping pressure.
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Question to HE-6 owners:

 

I've owned my HE-6 for little more than a week.  I love the sound, but the headband....the leather right on the outside of the seams seems to be "chipping" does anyone else notice this on their pair?

 

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 I don't think the chipping is from my handling though...I've only taken the headphones out of the box 3 times.  I'm on my 5th hour of listening. 

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The EF5 is starting to grow on me with the HE-6, but I am looking forward to getting some more juice into them. It could be that the HE-6 itself are getting better to my ears, I will have to drag them back down to the WA22 to find out. I want to be blown away like I was with the protos through my speaker amp though, that happened right away during my time with them but it hasn't happened yet with the prodos.


I'm starting to think not including the speaker tap pig tail with the original order was a big mistake.


Lol, I've been thinking that since the day I ordered them.

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It seems like not even the EF5 is good enough for the HE-6 confused_face.gif  Any news on the EF6?

 



Late Q1 2011 at the earliest


Hmm...  by then the introductory price will be over confused_face.gif

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Can any other owners comment on my leather issue in post #1111 at the top of this page?

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Can any other owners comment on my leather issue in post #1111 at the top of this page?


I used to do leather work professionally having been trained in making boots, purses, saddles and tack in general. It appears that the leather is of a tan that does not allow for bending of such a degree. It may have not been fully tanned (green tanned) or is cheap leather to begin with. A lot of leather now comes from India because the tanning causes a lot of pollution and India has taken this on. When you bend undertanned or in correctly tanned leather it can crack or chip. Some leathers need to be dampened before being bent to such a degree or they will crack, which is what is happening. What you have there is most likely some leather either from India or China. I have also seen leather from China of tanned pig, that wasn't well tanned at all. Horrible chemicals are used in cheap tanning and the leather remains hard and breaks down. Most leather now days is a chrome tanned as it is fast and cheap. That is not to say that chrome tanned leather is bad but if the process isn't good it doesn't matter if it is chrome or vegetable tanned. I used to use Herman Oak tanned leather for my saddles and it was fantastic. Then came some that looked the same but was tanned in Mexico. It wouldn't take a bend without cracking and did not tool well. 

 

So there you go. 

 

edit: There can be variation within batches. It could be that most of the leather headbands are very fine and that a couple made it through from some leather that just wasn't quite right. Not uncommon. 


Edited by jamato8 - 11/18/10 at 11:27pm
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please do excuse my ignorance, does this hifiman has a company address? do they have a factory like sennheiser? their website looks so cheap, when you run the domain check, it is only showing the hosting provider info, how can you trust a company like that?


Definitely ignorant, and not to be ignored or excused.  Head-Direct is a very reputable company and they have introduced some very good products, with good service to go with it.  Being small does not mean they aren't trustworthy.

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I don't find it all that surprising that two different groups of passionate, innovation-driven people who are rivals in a given field would have differences... I admire both sides anyways. 

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Can any other owners comment on my leather issue in post #1111 at the top of this page?


I used to do leather work professionally having been trained in making boots, purses, saddles and tack in general. It appears that the leather is of a tan that does not allow for bending of such a degree. It may have not been fully tanned (green tanned) or is cheap leather to begin with. A lot of leather now comes from India because the tanning causes a lot of pollution and India has taken this on. When you bend undertanned or in correctly tanned leather it can crack or chip. Some leathers need to be dampened before being bent to such a degree or they will crack, which is what is happening. What you have there is most likely some leather either from India or China. I have also seen leather from China of tanned pig, that wasn't well tanned at all. Horrible chemicals are used in cheap tanning and the leather remains hard and breaks down. Most leather now days is a chrome tanned as it is fast and cheap. That is not to say that chrome tanned leather is bad but if the process isn't good it doesn't matter if it is chrome or vegetable tanned. I used to use Herman Oak tanned leather for my saddles and it was fantastic. Then came some that looked the same but was tanned in Mexico. It wouldn't take a bend without cracking and did not tool well. 

 

So there you go. 

 

edit: There can be variation within batches. It could be that most of the leather headbands are very fine and that a couple made it through from some leather that just wasn't quite right. Not uncommon. 


So from your leather experience (which by the way was very informative...thank you!!!) would exchange this pair of headphones for a new one?

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Dear Silly Sally,

     I've just got my realiser 8 and I 've done the 3 measurements at AIX rcords.

    I came back from USA to day still jet lag.

    I have Sennheiser HD800  HE5 HE6 Audeze LCD2, do you think which one

will be appropriate to use with the Smyth? 

     BTW I use the ZDT and the oppo83 se nuforce as the player now

connect via RCA analog by audioquest sky 72DBS and using the nuforce 8 interconnect for the 7.1 and

nuforece HDMI cable for picture via Dell ultrasharp 2711.

  

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Can any other owners comment on my leather issue in post #1111 at the top of this page?


I used to do leather work professionally having been trained in making boots, purses, saddles and tack in general. It appears that the leather is of a tan that does not allow for bending of such a degree. It may have not been fully tanned (green tanned) or is cheap leather to begin with. A lot of leather now comes from India because the tanning causes a lot of pollution and India has taken this on. When you bend undertanned or in correctly tanned leather it can crack or chip. Some leathers need to be dampened before being bent to such a degree or they will crack, which is what is happening. What you have there is most likely some leather either from India or China. I have also seen leather from China of tanned pig, that wasn't well tanned at all. Horrible chemicals are used in cheap tanning and the leather remains hard and breaks down. Most leather now days is a chrome tanned as it is fast and cheap. That is not to say that chrome tanned leather is bad but if the process isn't good it doesn't matter if it is chrome or vegetable tanned. I used to use Herman Oak tanned leather for my saddles and it was fantastic. Then came some that looked the same but was tanned in Mexico. It wouldn't take a bend without cracking and did not tool well. 

 

So there you go. 

 

edit: There can be variation within batches. It could be that most of the leather headbands are very fine and that a couple made it through from some leather that just wasn't quite right. Not uncommon. 


So from your leather experience (which by the way was very informative...thank you!!!) would exchange this pair of headphones for a new one?


I would ask for a new headband. The leather on the one you got is of poor quality. It will continue to break down. It would be totally reasonable that they would send you a new band. Hopefully it isn't difficult to change out. 

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