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post #11026 of 19433
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Originally Posted by DarKen23 View Post
 

Woot! Just made the purchase. Looks like Ill be receiving the HE-6 on Wednesday. Ive been preparing for them:

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

LMAO! Welcome to the club Ken! Looking forward to your impressions. :beerchug: 

post #11027 of 19433
Now brunk will be your narrator to you taken your new headphones all apart. Lol.

Nothing stock for brunk.

Al. D
post #11028 of 19433
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Now brunk will be your narrator to you taken your new headphones all apart. Lol.

Nothing stock for brunk.

Al. D

Hehehe, you got that right! :tongue:

post #11029 of 19433
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Originally Posted by Armaegis View Post
 

 

 

I think the "problem" is that the HE-6 isn't really a "headphone" in the traditional sense of sensitivity and power requirements. It straddles the weird grey area between headphones and speakers. A headphone amp typically doesn't have enough gain or current drive ability for the HE-6. A power amp typically has far too much gain and power drive, and will also start to exhibit noise problems. In a gross oversimplification, a headphone amp is typically concerned more with the voltage and noise levels due to the high sensitivity of headphones. A power amp usually needs to deliver gobs and gobs of power cleanly and is not usually as concerned with noise to the extent that headphone amps require (because it will be inaudible on speakers).

 

So now you shove the HE-6 into the mix. Headphone amps simply don't have the grunt necessary because most headphones quite frankly don't need more than 100mW of power. No massive current buffers needed, keep the gain low and keep the noise floor non-existant. So then we plug the HE-6 into a speaker amp and oops there's noise, and you're basically wasting all the current drive because you're only using up 1W when the amp can deliver 100W. The amp may even be more optimal (aka "sweet spot") when it pumps more current, which it can't do with the HE-6.

 

*shrug*

 

So one is insufficient, and the other is overdone.

 

Lower power amps are probably the best solution for the time being. I've been pretty happy with various low power class D options that I've tried. I like the idea of a transformer/autoformer coupled tube amp so you're at least running the amp in the optimal range without wasting power.

 

This I believe is the entire 'problem' in a nutshell.  The HE-6 has great sound quality in absolute terms but business-wise it's a disastrous build due to the inefficiency.  My 2 cents:  if you have a good power amp lying around, give it a try with the HE-6 but take precautions so you don't blow a driver, an eardrum or the amp.  But think hard before purchasing one just for the HE-6 and whatever you do, audition it first.  If you have a powerful headphone amp, give that a shot.  Fwiw, I drive my HE-6 from a Violectric V800/V200 combo and it drives them just fine (classical music at human volumes).  Of course I had the DAC/Amp before purchasing the HE-6, wouldn't dream of spending an extra 2.5k just to power these headphones, then I'd rather go top end electrostats all the way.

post #11030 of 19433

So I'm looking to get an HE-6 setup. I'm thinking HE-6, cable from BTG audio, Maverick Audio D2, and Emotiva A-100 or UPA-200 and I have a couple of questions

 

1) Any benefit of the UPA-200 over the A-100?

 

2) Are there any better speaker amps to drive the HE-6 with that are about $500 or below than the Emotiva? 

 

3) Any different dac selection? I want tubes to be involved somewhere in the chain or at the very least something a bit on the warmer end


Edited by RAZRr1275 - 12/29/13 at 8:10pm
post #11031 of 19433
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post
 

So I'm looking to get an HE-6 setup. I'm thinking HE-6, cable from BTG audio, Maverick Audio D2, and Emotiva A-100 or UPA-200 and I have a couple of questions

 

1) Any benefit of the UPA-200 over the A-100?

 

2) Are there any better speaker amps to drive the HE-6 with that are about $500 or below than the Emotiva? 

 

3) Any different dac selection? I want tubes to be involved somewhere in the chain

 

I'm using an older Forte 1A speaker amp, its a Class A 50wpc amp and it works very well with the HE-6 and it cost me around $600 on ebay. Theres plenty of other nice speaker amps out there as well as vintage receivers.

post #11032 of 19433
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post
 

So I'm looking to get an HE-6 setup. I'm thinking HE-6, cable from BTG audio, Maverick Audio D2, and Emotiva A-100 or UPA-200 and I have a couple of questions

 

1) Any benefit of the UPA-200 over the A-100?

 

2) Are there any better speaker amps to drive the HE-6 with that are about $500 or below than the Emotiva

 

3) Any different dac selection? I want tubes to be involved somewhere in the chain or at the very least something a bit on the warmer end

Then, no

post #11033 of 19433
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post
 

So I'm looking to get an HE-6 setup. I'm thinking HE-6, cable from BTG audio, Maverick Audio D2, and Emotiva A-100 or UPA-200 and I have a couple of questions

 

1) Any benefit of the UPA-200 over the A-100?

 

2) Are there any better speaker amps to drive the HE-6 with that are about $500 or below than the Emotiva? 

 

3) Any different dac selection? I want tubes to be involved somewhere in the chain or at the very least something a bit on the warmer end

 

Tube speaker amps, I'm using 50wpc. It uses 4 6550 vacuum tubes, 2 per channel. The really good ones are the vintage Tung Sols but they are not cheap. Not below $500.

post #11034 of 19433
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

 

This I believe is the entire 'problem' in a nutshell.  The HE-6 has great sound quality in absolute terms but business-wise it's a disastrous build due to the inefficiency.  My 2 cents:  if you have a good power amp lying around, give it a try with the HE-6 but take precautions so you don't blow a driver, an eardrum or the amp.  But think hard before purchasing one just for the HE-6 and whatever you do, audition it first.  If you have a powerful headphone amp, give that a shot.  Fwiw, I drive my HE-6 from a Violectric V800/V200 combo and it drives them just fine (classical music at human volumes).  Of course I had the DAC/Amp before purchasing the HE-6, wouldn't dream of spending an extra 2.5k just to power these headphones, then I'd rather go top end electrostats all the way.

I don't think "disastrous" is the right word.  It is a Flagship, after all, and high volume (number of units sold) is not the criteria for success.  It does deserve serious thought before purchasing, though.  If you are not up to the challenge of finding the right amp, then step back to more efficient cans in the line.  HE-500, for example.

 

Actually, one of the biggest reasons I purchased the HE-6 over other headphones was exactly BECAUSE of the challenge!

post #11035 of 19433
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post
 

So I'm looking to get an HE-6 setup. I'm thinking HE-6, cable from BTG audio, Maverick Audio D2, and Emotiva A-100 or UPA-200 and I have a couple of questions

 

1) Any benefit of the UPA-200 over the A-100?

 

2) Are there any better speaker amps to drive the HE-6 with that are about $500 or below than the Emotiva? 

 

3) Any different dac selection? I want tubes to be involved somewhere in the chain or at the very least something a bit on the warmer end

 

The TBI Millenia is quite a bit better at driving the HE-6 (IMHO, YMMV, blah blah blah).  Its a class BD amplifier and, so is much smaller than either of the Emo offerings.

post #11036 of 19433
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Originally Posted by potterma View Post
 

 

The TBI Millenia is quite a bit better at driving the HE-6 (IMHO, YMMV, blah blah blah).  Its a class BD amplifier and, so is much smaller than either of the Emo offerings.

 

Hm - exactly $500 -  in which way would you say it's better? What's its sound sig like?

post #11037 of 19433

I've been really tempted to try out the Virtue One.3 that was just announced.

post #11038 of 19433
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Originally Posted by RAZRr1275 View Post
 

 

Hm - exactly $500 -  in which way would you say it's better? What's its sound sig like?

Look for @Gary in MD amplifier review in the "Speaker Amps for Headphones" thread.  He does a much better job expressing it than I ever could.

post #11039 of 19433

The best I have heard the HE-6 is from the HO on my vintage Pioneer sx1250. That includes several high end rigs at meets here in LA (although MrRoger's tube set up was damn close and it had the tubey smoothness). However my pioneer has been driving speakers in the living room lately which is not where I listen to headphones, so they have been getting little to no use.

Then on a whim (and based on Jude's comment that he used it to drive the HE-6) I purchased the HiFi-M8. I have to say that if you are looking for a desktop/portable set up to drive the HE-6 the M8 comes pretty close (90% of the way) to some of the best performing HE-6 rigs I have heard.

For $700 you get a great DAC/Amp combo which sounds great with my Magnum's, LCD-2's and the HE-6.

Kudos to CEntrace, the M8 is a great product.

post #11040 of 19433
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Originally Posted by potterma View Post
 

Look for @Gary in MD amplifier review in the "Speaker Amps for Headphones" thread.  He does a much better job expressing it than I ever could.

Is the difference as far as the warmth/vocals/treble really that large? The millenia definitely sounds like my cup of tea sound wise as I'm a sucker for warm ish mids. Think that the pairing of it and the tube dac would be too silky or just right for someone who has a preference for tube gear?

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