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post #1081 of 15264

I would bet it is an out of phase wiring. It is easy and quick to check. Just get an ohm meter and check ground on the plug to the connection on the phone end of the cable that is supposed to be ground. 


Edited by jamato8 - 11/18/10 at 1:45pm
post #1082 of 15264

Reversing left and right channels has never caused me such problems as they have described though I suppose everyone hears differently.  Or are you suggesting hifiman provided cables with the hot and cold leads reversed?  In both ears?  To 3 people?

 

I suppose it could only take 1 ear to throw you off though possibly :O


Edited by BebopMcJiggy - 11/18/10 at 1:46pm
post #1083 of 15264
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Reversing left and right channels has never caused me such problems as they have described though I suppose everyone hears differently.  Or are you suggesting hifiman provided cables with the hot and cold leads reversed?  In both ears?  To 3 people?



If it was reversed on both sides it won't really be noticeable as some recordings are "in" phase and some aren't as far as true grounding. But as you know, if one plug is reversed then you have a phase problem between the two transducers. 

post #1084 of 15264

Regardless that would be a QC problem if they were using stock cables no? ;P

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Regardless that would be a QC problem if they were using stock cables no? ;P

Of course. Any time I make a cable of any type I still do a continuity check. I used to make and sell high end cable years ago and it is mandatory to check this. Even if everything is color coded what if you have a freak break in the cable. Always check the continuity. It could also be internal in the transducer with the hot to the ground on the internal pad and ground to the hot connection. 

post #1086 of 15264

Even if there is no clipping it could still be a power issue. The V200 would be the logical Violectric amp to try for the HE-6 as opposed to the V100; it would be interesting to make that comparison. These cans need a ton of headroom to perform at their potential.


Edited by grokit - 11/18/10 at 2:12pm
post #1087 of 15264

Not only headroom but you are staying in the lower distortion area of the amp. If you have a 100 watt amp and only need 2 watts or .25 for most music, the distortion in that area of a normally well built amp is exceedingly low. 

post #1088 of 15264
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Even if there is no clipping it could still be a power issue. The V200 would be the logical Violectric amp to try for the HE-6 as opposed to the V100; it would be interesting to make that comparison. These cans need a ton of headroom to perform at their potential.


 

 

Output Power in 32 Ohms 1300 mW 1700 mW 1950 mW 2000 mW

 

2nd column is v100 4th is v200... not really much better :O

 

I think the 3 channel b22 (duckman used one I think) is measured at 5.6Wrms into 32 ohm, and I think k3ct was using a balanced b22, possibly only single ended though.

 

Perhaps all of them were underpowered or maybe it is just the way those people hear, I think k3ct also found the he5-le sound staging to be incoherent but don't quote me on that.

post #1089 of 15264

Also headfonia states "On soundstage, the LCD-2 is clearly better although it sounded more closed than the HE-6. The LCD-2 had a proper imaging presentation, good depth, and a more accurate positioning. The HE-6 was more open sounding, but lacked the center soundstage focus and positioning. It had a great instrument separation, but the lay out of the soundstage is quite all over the place and not too accurate."  I'm pretty sure they were using a balanced b22 & a zana deux as a preamp... 

 

Maybe this headphone doesn't like the b22 heh who knows... but regardless, definitely not the first person to voice issues with the sound staging, I think a some of it just has to do with how much those issues bother somebody, if at all.

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Also headfonia states "On soundstage, the LCD-2 is clearly better although it sounded more closed than the HE-6. The LCD-2 had a proper imaging presentation, good depth, and a more accurate positioning. The HE-6 was more open sounding, but lacked the center soundstage focus and positioning. It had a great instrument separation, but the lay out of the soundstage is quite all over the place and not too accurate."  I'm pretty sure they were using a balanced b22 & a zana deux as a preamp... 

 

Maybe this headphone doesn't like the b22 heh who knows... but regardless, definitely not the first person to voice issues with the sound staging, I think a some of it just has to do with how much those issues bother somebody, if at all.



Thati s what I heard on the prototype HE6 I felt that there was no focus and they were IMO blah. I did not like their sound at all. The LCD2 does have smaller sound stage but it is richer in tone and had better vocals and bass. It treble could be better and a wider sound stage would almost make them perfect as is thought I am seeing more HE6 impressions and three or four have not been favorable.It does all come down to preferences but in the end the user need to be happy with them not eveyrbody likes vanilla ice cream

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Also headfonia states "On soundstage, the LCD-2 is clearly better although it sounded more closed than the HE-6. The LCD-2 had a proper imaging presentation, good depth, and a more accurate positioning. The HE-6 was more open sounding, but lacked the center soundstage focus and positioning. It had a great instrument separation, but the lay out of the soundstage is quite all over the place and not too accurate."  I'm pretty sure they were using a balanced b22 & a zana deux as a preamp... 

 

Maybe this headphone doesn't like the b22 heh who knows... but regardless, definitely not the first person to voice issues with the sound staging, I think a some of it just has to do with how much those issues bother somebody, if at all.


Thati s what I heard on the prototype HE6 I felt that there was no focus and they were IMO blah. I did not like their sound at all. The LCD2 does have smaller sound stage but it is richer in tone and had better vocals and bass. It treble could be better and a wider sound stage would almost make them perfect as is thought I am seeing more HE6 impressions and three or four have not been favorable.It does all come down to preferences but in the end the user need to be happy with them not eveyrbody likes vanilla ice cream

 

 

I still think it's a power issue. The prodos are essentially the same headphone as the protos, but Fang somehow tweaked them to be slightly more adaptable to different headphone amps at the last minute IMO. They seem to lack some coherency when used with the 1.5-2 watt amps that are now listed as a minimum requirement. The HE-6 wants a lot of current/voltage/amperage/wattage/ohmage/headroom/juice, whatever "it" is, even if they do not officially "need" it. Hopefully these last-minute tweaks did not take anything away from the HE-6 when powered properly.


Edited by grokit - 11/18/10 at 5:41pm
post #1092 of 15264

I believe it´s an ortho issue ;)

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I believe it´s an ortho issue ;)



I disagree I am listening to the LCD2 on my Decware OTL at a loud level with no clippuing at about 1/3 up on the CSP-2 OTL and they sound fantastic. I believe it an efficiency issue these are easy to drive the others need a speaker amp with watts.

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I believe it´s an ortho issue ;)



I disagree I am listening to the LCD2 on my Decware OTL at a loud level with no clippuing at about 1/3 up on the CSP-2 OTL and they sound fantastic. I believe it an efficiency issue these are easy to drive the others need a speaker amp with watts.



I was referring to the soundstage discussion. I don´t believe those that has issue with this has it primarily to running them underpowered primarily.

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I believe it´s an ortho issue ;)



I disagree I am listening to the LCD2 on my Decware OTL at a loud level with no clippuing at about 1/3 up on the CSP-2 OTL and they sound fantastic. I believe it an efficiency issue these are easy to drive the others need a speaker amp with watts.



I was referring to the soundstage discussion. I don´t believe those that has issue with this has it primarily to running them underpowered primarily.


sorry thought it was about the power issue. The HE6 do have a bigger soundstage than the LCD2 as does the T1 but the HE6 IMO and for me at least did not sound as good as the LCD2 but I have not heard the finished product.  The Fostex does soundstage as the LCD2 does. Its not in the same class but still for the mney amazing little cans. I would not be able to run the HE6 on the Decware and get them to sound as well.

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