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post #10321 of 14033
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I had been auditioning a Golden Tube SE-40 tube amp with their active pre and the pre sounded terrible. I ended up using the computer volume as the pre took away the dynamics of the amp. I have no problem using the digital volume of the Hilo and Darryl's pre is spotless with his F1J. It seems to be a hit or miss option with pre's as some are color free and have no impact on the signal and others just kill the dynamics. Perhaps that negative influence is caused by passive preamps but I've used passive volume controls with no noticeable sonic impact. I understand the argument that anything passive is bad but I think that's dependent on the quality of the components.

No, it's actually the opposite. Theoretically a passive will be better, so long as the design is well-executed. An active has greater ability to alter the signal and introduce noise and unwanted gain stages.

post #10322 of 14033
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post
 

What my Saturday looks like in no particular order:

 

- Garage sales

- Laundry

- College Football

- Waiting for ohhgourami's post

:popcorn:


Add FP3 and Qualifying for the USGP (Formula 1)

 

I'm waiting on the mailman to get here...

post #10323 of 14033

Damn mailman attempted delivery when my business wasn't open yet! :angry_face:

 

Hopefully he/she comes back down the block later...

 

I knew I should have ordered the pads earlier...

post #10324 of 14033
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Damn mailman attempted delivery when my business wasn't open yet! :angry_face:

 

Hopefully he/she comes back down the block later...

 

I knew I should have ordered the pads earlier...

Bummer, hopefully you'll get it soon. I'm looking forward to more impressions of these pads to confirm it's the special sauce :tongue:

post #10325 of 14033
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No, it's actually the opposite. Theoretically a passive will be better, so long as the design is well-executed. An active has greater ability to alter the signal and introduce noise and unwanted gain stages.

Well said!

post #10326 of 14033

YES! Mail lady came back!

 

Impressions when I get back from work tonight!

post #10327 of 14033
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YES! Mail lady came back!

 

Impressions when I get back from work tonight!

:popcorn:

post #10328 of 14033
All pre amps digital or analog . As for digital or analog there is loss in reducing volume , properly implemented digital is less and why most are this way. As for how much is lost I would make an assumption that only a saves techie or manufacture would know . Paul from ps audio has discussed this reg his dac, and claims only below 50 it only losses a very small amount of bits and above 50 none. With the mytek I am not sure , but overall do not like the sound unless it is at max and driving a preamp. So in this situation I be leave much bits are striped off in the lower tear of volume.

And I think that was a great post brunk. But in this my only point is unless there is a good reason no preamp.

Great reading though and I am glad about the info posted thanks.

Al D
post #10329 of 14033
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All pre amps digital or analog . As for digital or analog there is loss in reducing volume , properly implemented digital is less and why most are this way. As for how much is lost I would make an assumption that only a saves techie or manufacture would know . Paul from ps audio has discussed this reg his dac, and claims only below 50 it only losses a very small amount of bits and above 50 none. With the mytek I am not sure , but overall do not like the sound unless it is at max and driving a preamp. So in this situation I be leave much bits are striped off in the lower tear of volume.

And I think that was a great post brunk. But in this my only point is unless there is a good reason no preamp.

Great reading though and I am glad about the info posted thanks.

Al D

Yep, that is a disadvantage with built-in digital DAC pre too, lower voltage. Lower voltage is going to require you to either have an absurd amount of gain (excessive gain just amplifies any noise from the chain) on the amp, or possibly bring the amp up out of it's sweet spot. There is several variables to take into consideration when choosing the correct preamp for your system. It most definitely is not an arbitrary choice, but unfortunately that is usually the case because a pre isn't 'sexy' compared to an amp or DAC :tongue: 

 

One fact though, the pre is the heart of your system! Don't take it lightly :)


Edited by brunk - 11/16/13 at 12:42pm
post #10330 of 14033
Very true . When I bought the m7 I needed a preamp / amp for headphones so I bought kingwa,s combo. To me it gels fine. And uses his proprietary ACSS connections . It all sounds great and what I like the best with the he6. It takes the edge off a little for me. But when I listen to the Wes amp I use the bal outputs with the stax . I do not know of what losses I get from woo,s volume control but I do not want to deduct wore. What I should do is try the m8 and have his amp turned up all the way and listen to the difference .

Al D
post #10331 of 14033
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Yep, that is a disadvantage with built-in digital DAC pre too, lower voltage. Lower voltage is going to require you to either have an absurd amount of gain (excessive gain just amplifies any noise from the chain) on the amp, or possibly bring the amp up out of it's sweet spot. There is several variables to take into consideration when choosing the correct preamp for your system. It most definitely is not an arbitrary choice, but unfortunately that is usually the case because a pre isn't 'sexy' compared to an amp or DAC :tongue: 

 

One fact though, the pre is the heart of your system! Don't take it lightly :)

Maybe a large contingent don't get excited by a good pre-amp, but some of us do...  Some of even go to the extreme of building our own! Speaking of which, how's that upgraded chip sounding?

post #10332 of 14033

Just inspecting the pads themselves. The outside of the pad seems a bit stiff while the cushion seems too soft, a bit like a fluffed up down pillow with hard shell.

 

I'm also trying to decide what might be the best double sided tape to use as the pads might freely rotate once they get put on the cans.

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Maybe a large contingent don't get excited by a good pre-amp, but some of us do...  Some of even go to the extreme of building our own! Speaking of which, how's that upgraded chip sounding?

It hasn't arrived yet :o I can't help but think that Tortuga Audio is now the leader in LDR-based preamps because of the "HiZ" improvement, let alone unseen future advantages of software control. I would expect many to start following their lead.

post #10334 of 14033
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YES! Mail lady came back!

 

Impressions when I get back from work tonight!

:popcorn:

:popcorn:

I just got home... just in time! With ohhgourami's impressions still to come, and my acquiring pre-owned KEF Corda 9's last hour, it's turning out to be quite the Saturday!

post #10335 of 14033
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Originally Posted by Silent One View Post
 

:popcorn:

I just got home... just in time! With ohhgourami's impressions still to come, and my acquiring pre-owned KEF Corda 9's last hour, it's turning out to be quite the Saturday!

Oooh new speakers!

 

SO's To-Do List:

 

1) listen to new speakers

2) ...there is no #2

 

:tongue:

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