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What do you mean by 'alternative'? Same level of IEM? There are at least a dozen top tier that can be the alternative, check out average_joe's top tier thread for more detail. I would recommend you find out the sound signature you prefer first.
 

Treble wise, DBA-02 actually extends further up and in comparison, ER4P sounds much smoother and less in-you-face. Mid is almost a tight, DBA-02 has more texture but harsher on the upper region. Bass wise DBA-02 is better, both in quantity and quality. While they are both analytical sounding, ER4P is more neutral (naturally) while DBA-02 is more aggressive, that's the main difference. As for iM716, it simply can't keep up with the other two so there is no need for comparison.
 


Can you tell me how  the DBA-02 compares to the Tri-fi 10 in terms of bass, soundstage and instrument separations ? Thanks in advance.
 

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Can you tell me how  the DBA-02 compares to the Tri-fi 10 in terms of bass, soundstage and instrument separations ? Thanks in advance.

For all three categories, TF10 is the clear winner.
 

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Just for a counter opionion, LFF in his review of the DBAs clearly says he prefers the DBAs over the TF10s, and not all that close a call.  I can't say because I don't have the TF10. But it's not an open and shut case, it seems. I do realize though that this question is about soundstage, bass and instrument separation, which are only three attributes of a phone (but they are three important ones). Anyway, here is his comment (and it's partially the reason I became interested in the DBAs):

 

(From LFF's review)

I literally had to focus my attention back on testing the IEM’s only to find myself enjoying the music more and more as I clicked through dozens of the best tracks I have the privilege to own. I have heard many, many IEM’s and headphones and very few have caught my attention or given me an immediate smile. The last time that happened I was listening to JH-13’s. The next time was when I was listening to the DBA-02’s. While these are not to the level of JH-13’s, they are very, very high up. As far as universals go, I feel they are the very best I have listened to and they completely kill my Shure E500’s/E530’s and demolish the sound of the Triple-Fi’s.


Edited by slaters70 - 5/19/10 at 3:54pm
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People seek different things from the sound they hear.  The hard part is knowing what you seek and like and then finding an earphone that fits those likes.  You will run across many very good earphones out there, most of which are basically on the same level overall, but only a couple will really fit your tastes well.

 

I would be hard-pressed to call the DBA-02 better or worse than the Triple.Fi 10..or the IE8, SE530, W3, UM3X, CK10, RE252, etc., etc.  Many of these offer outstanding sound quality and minimal faults, but each present the sound in their own flavor.  To simply call one better is more so a bias than an absolute truth.  There are definite levels between earphones, but these come about from major faults or limitations of an earphone.  When these major faults don't exist, all you have is personal preference.

 

The Triple.Fi 10 does a lot of things really well.  You picked 3 strong points of the Triple.Fi 10 to ask about.  You could have asked 3 completely different areas too and got a different answer.  The Triple.Fi 10 has great separation even despite being a bit thick in note which in many cases can muddy things together.  The Triple.Fi 10 has a way of not doing so though.  The bass is authoritative and abundant.  It can overshadow the mids at times unless EQed, and it does roll off a little early without EQing..  Bass notes can be slightly muddied at times and don't carry as much crispness and detail as seen in the midrange and treble.  It's a thick, robust note, and that comes with a trade-off from delicacy and speed.  The sound stage is good.  I feel it's a bit closed in, but you get a good overall size that's outside the head, good location of sounds, separation between the sounds, good linearity and use of space, etc.  There's simply a lot of great qualities to like, but the qualities come in their own flavors.  There are of course some areas to improve or simply be different, and other earphones will fit these areas.  There are certain things that the Triple.Fi 10 does better than any other earphone out there.  It certainly is an outstanding product.  Then again, there are a lot of outstanding products.  You just have to figure out which ones fit you best.

post #35 of 195

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I quite agree. I have owned or heard a decent number of very good earphones and while I can't say one is better than the other I can say that some are easily preferred by me over others. If you can figure out what it is that you want and prefer in a phone compared to other things it will make purchasing decisions easier and might save you some money from buying and selling phones that do not suit your preferences.

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Edited by slaters70 - 5/19/10 at 5:08pm
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 Mid is almost a tight, DBA-02 has more texture but harsher on the upper region.



This keeps botheing me a bit, the 'harshness on the upper region'. I can always EQ bass up a little if a phone is slightly lacking...but, I don't know, can you reasonably EQ out harshness - at least without hurting the clarity? I know it must not be too terribly bad our it would not have received a perfect 5 stars in the teble department so forgive me if I am probably just being a bit paranoid on the point.

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An open cell foam tip should do the trick to soften up the high end.  This is something useful for both the TF10 and CK10.  It's a good option if you don't want to EQ.  You may also try and some how add some polyfill, cotton, etc. to the tube or tip to soak up a little high end.

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I would be hard-pressed to call the DBA-02 better or worse than the Triple.Fi 10....

 

The Triple.Fi 10 does a lot of things really well.  You picked 3 strong points of the Triple.Fi 10 to ask about.  You could have asked 3 completely different areas too and got a different answer.  ...


Very true. If you would have ask me which have better treble extension or sounding more neutral (flatter FR), I would tell you DBA-02 is the winner in those categories.

 

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This keeps botheing me a bit, the 'harshness on the upper region'. I can always EQ bass up a little if a phone is slightly lacking...but, I don't know, can you reasonably EQ out harshness - at least without hurting the clarity? I know it must not be too terribly bad our it would not have received a perfect 5 stars in the teble department so forgive me if I am probably just being a bit paranoid on the point

Harshness refers to the slight spiking / peak on the 4kHz~6kHz region, which gives you the 'sss....' on brighter note and female vocal. It is not terribly bad at all, just a little over the top - but it will be annoying if you are sensitive to sibilant. As suggested before, changing eartips can tuned that region down a bit and I do fine the Ety tri-flanges to do it well. mvw2's suggest about foam tip is also good too. I actually find TF10's treble to be a little too shape for me as well before I mod'ed a pair of olive on it, now I absolutely like the sound.
 

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An open cell foam tip should do the trick to soften up the high end.  This is something useful for both the TF10 and CK10.  It's a good option if you don't want to EQ.  You may also try and some how add some polyfill, cotton, etc. to the tube or tip to soak up a little high end.

Great suggestion, mate. I have some Comply on the way which should prove very useful for that purpose, I am thinking of modding some olive as well.

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[UPDATE] I got words that the new Eterna I have could very well be a beta unit which might not be the same as the new revised version due to some shipping error. So this basically throw most of the conclusion I have out of the window and back to square one. I will keep the review intact but please read it with a grain of salt (not that you shouldn't in any review).


I wonder how good the quality control generally is at manufacturers.  If you get two samples of the same model (both v1Eterna, for example), would they sound identical?

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For all three categories, TF10 is the clear winner.
 


Thanks for your reply ClieOS. Yeah, bass, soundstage and instrument separation are three of the qualities I'm looking at . You have a nice review on the FA Silver Bullet , can you tell me how these three categories compare between the Silver Bullet and the DBA-02 ?
I know the DBA-02 should be technically superior to the Silver Bullet, but I'm curious about the big soundstage and nice midrange in your review of the Silver Bullet.

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Curious on the beta version of the Eterna.  I am wondering if this is genuinely a test piece or simply backpedaling on their part after the fact.  Actually I found it quite odd for a company to develop what might be a moderately different sounding earphone under the same name sake.  I also found it odd that they wouldn't try some beta testing prior to ever releasing a new version in the first place.  I do like the idea of a company continually improving their hardware though.  It just becomes a challenge when certain people sort of fall in love with a previous version of it and then may be off-put by a new iteration.  You can't please everyone, and you can't fix what isn't broken.  All you can really do is fix the absolute mistakes and hope the particular gearing has a well sized market.  Then you make sure you have enough other products to fit into all the other market areas.

post #43 of 195
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Thanks for your reply ClieOS. Yeah, bass, soundstage and instrument separation are three of the qualities I'm looking at . You have a nice review on the FA Silver Bullet , can you tell me how these three categories compare between the Silver Bullet and the DBA-02 ?
I know the DBA-02 should be technically superior to the Silver Bullet, but I'm curious about the big soundstage and nice midrange in your review of the Silver Bullet.

Bass wise, Silver Bullet wins in sheer quantity but DBA-02 has better resolution and speed. Soundstage is Silver Bullet's strong point, which tend to feel like wrap- around-the-head surround sound effect with a good present, DBA-02 soundstage is good but it tend to be more the fade-into-the-background type and not quite as 3D like as Silver Bullet. Instrument separation is better on DBA-02 because of its high resolving power and detail, where Silver Bullet is more mellow, which is typical of dynamic based IEM.
 

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Curious on the beta version of the Eterna.  I am wondering if this is genuinely a test piece or simply backpedaling on their part after the fact.  Actually I found it quite odd for a company to develop what might be a moderately different sounding earphone under the same name sake.  I also found it odd that they wouldn't try some beta testing prior to ever releasing a new version in the first place.  I do like the idea of a company continually improving their hardware though.  It just becomes a challenge when certain people sort of fall in love with a previous version of it and then may be off-put by a new iteration.  You can't please everyone, and you can't fix what isn't broken.  All you can really do is fix the absolute mistakes and hope the particular gearing has a well sized market.  Then you make sure you have enough other products to fit into all the other market areas.

Some guy who did the packing/shipping mixed up the packages as they were trying to rush several shipments out to different locations just before being totally grounded by the Iceland volcanic ash (they didn't make it anyway, as my packages were grounded during transit in Moscow postal office for almost a week). I was told the new Eterna is supposed to come in June / July and I should received the final version by then. Well at least we know the old Eterna will still be around for a while.

post #44 of 195
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Harshness refers to the slight spiking / peak on the 4kHz~6kHz region, which gives you the 'sss....' on brighter note and female vocal. It is not terribly bad at all, just a little over the top - but it will be annoying if you are sensitive to sibilant. As suggested before, changing eartips can tuned that region down a bit and I do fine the Ety tri-flanges to do it well. mvw2's suggest about foam tip is also good too. I actually find TF10's treble to be a little too shape for me as well before I mod'ed a pair of olive on it, now I absolutely like the sound.
 

Great suggestion, mate. I have some Comply on the way which should prove very useful for that purpose, I am thinking of modding some olive as well.



Fair enough and if I get the this one, I'll definitely have to go out of my way to get some other eartips. I'll just leave it at this and say that I can't see how you can give the phone itself a perfect 5 stars on the treble given this issue. 4 1/2 would seem more fair.


Edited by Leavenfish - 5/20/10 at 10:12am
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As he said, tip selection can silence any harshness, as is the case with my situation. Out of the box, with the stock tips, I was ready to sell them. But changing to the Etys, now I would never do such a thing. Like night and day for me, and harshness/sibilance really bugs me.

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