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post #91 of 148

Just installed this, and listening simply to WFMT (classical music from Chicago), with the BNC connector, using winamp, it is great.  Too busy listening to post more impression right now, but very pleased so far.

post #92 of 148
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Just installed this, and listening simply to WFMT (classical music from Chicago), with the BNC connector, using winamp, it is great.  Too busy listening to post more impression right now, but very pleased so far.



Bit rate doesn't seem to be very high.

 

Maybe try some of the Avro streams at 320 and 256.

post #93 of 148

I'm definitely interested in the bridge and debating picking one up in the near future. I am using a Sigma 11 > Nuforce Icon HDP setup through a laptop. The only thing is, the HDP has a fantastic USB input section which I have found to be miles ahead in jitter reduction and sound quality than most other DACs I have compared it to. That being said, I still think the bridge would still take it to another level with its asynchronous implementation and streamlength code. It's just a little harder to pull the trigger since HDP has such a good USB section already. I didn't seem to notice any money back guarantee or return period on their website, so that makes it tougher.

 

Anyone compared it to HDP or have the ability to do so by chance?


Edited by Sid-Fi - 2/28/11 at 4:26pm
post #94 of 148

 

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I'm definitely interested in the bridge and debating picking one up in the near future. I am using a Sigma 11 > Nuforce Icon HDP setup through a laptop. The only thing is, the HDP has a fantastic USB input section which I have found to be miles ahead in jitter reduction and sound quality than most other DACs I have compared it to. That being said, I still think the bridge would still take it to another level with its asynchronous implementation and streamlength code. It's just a little harder to pull the trigger since HDP has such a good USB section already. I didn't seem to notice any money back guarantee or return period on their website, so that makes it tougher.

 

Anyone compared it to HDP or have the ability to do so by chance?

Try it, if it doesnt improve it return it. He is really good at answering emails and has stated to me in emails if I wasnt satisfied to return it. There is a 60 day money back guarantee. From the website, 

 

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Manufactured lead-free, RoHS compliant in the USA. All are our products are sold with a 60 day unconditional money back guarantee and a one year warranty.

 

post #95 of 148

Oh nice! I didn't realize they had that return period. That definitely helps. Thanks for sharing. I'm clearing out a few pieces of gear to get the cash together and then will pull the trigger, although it might take a couple of weeks. Thanks again.

post #96 of 148

Just received my Halide Design S/PDIF Bridge. I also own an M2Tech hiFace. My hiFace has 1500+ hours on it. I absolutly adore this little device, curiousity got the best of me and I wanted to try something new.

 

Out of the box I can hear a very drastic difference in sound signature. I was not sure what to expect, but I was stunned at how audible the differences are.

 

The mid band sounds much more authentic, voices sound more natural and realistic by a large margin. There is more weight to instruments and especially voices.

 

At the moment the hiFace is much more airy, spacious, brass has more bite, more PRAT.

 

I will let the Halide Design Bridge burn in for around 200hrs and then post some additional comments.

 

 

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Shawn

 

 

post #97 of 148

Well for anyone who might be interested in some additional comments and comparisns, here are some more thoughts:

 

The Halide Design bridge has a more organic and natural presentation. Music though the Halide has a nice weight to it, feels substantial. The upper band does nothing wrong but may not seem spactacular due to the fact that the midband is slightly more pronouced/forward, which takes away from a bit of the sparkle of the top end. The bottom has very slightly less impact than the M2Tech hiFace. I also find the M2Tech hiFace has slightly more PRAT (dynamic energy, more impactiful)

 

After doing a lot of A/B'ing I have come to realize that the M2Tech hiFace exaggerates the top end, more airy and sharp than necessary. It has a slighly cold or tipped up hifi presentation.

 

Both transports are enjoyable, if I had to pick between the two, I would take the Halide Design Bridge as its overal character is more authenticate to the original recording. The midrange is simply magical.

 

Its a spectacular transport and I am very happy with it.

 

I am sure either of these transports when matched with the right system would have great synergy.

 

Still on my quest for the best computer transport...Now I gotta hear a Sonicweld Diverter 192.

 

 

 

 


Edited by sk3383 - 4/30/11 at 4:17pm
post #98 of 148
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Still on my quest for the best computer transport...Now I gotta hear a Sonicweld Diverter 192.

 

 

 

 


You should also give the audiophilleo a try on your quest.  They have a 30 day return policy if you don't like it.

 

post #99 of 148

I'm probably pulling the trigger on the audiophilleo2 this week. I'll post impressions when I get it.
 

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You should also give the audiophilleo a try on your quest.  They have a 30 day return policy if you don't like it.

 



 

post #100 of 148

I have been reading Dave Clark's reviews on Postive Feedback and Computer Audiophile. He thinks very favorably about both the Audiophilleo and Halide Design Bridge. He stated that they have a very similar house sound.

 

He also stated that the Audiophilleo products have a similar house sound to the products mentioned above. Based on his review, I thinking he might hold the Audiophilleo in higher regard than both of the products above but I dont think the differences will significant enough.

 

My Halide Design Bridge only has about 30hrs on it thus far, the sound signature has opened up tad and sounds great but I doubt it will change much more. I'm seeking a sound signature thats as good as my CD transport.

 

I have read most of Dave Clark's reviews of USB transports, so far his comments have matched all of my findings with my M2Tech hiFace and Halide Design Bridge.

 

There are a couple of products that really intrigue me, the Empirical Audio Offramp 4 with Ultraclocks, and M2Tech Evo and JKeny's moddified hiFace.

 

These products have many variables. There performance can be altered by different power cords, power bars, power conditioners, wall warts, upgraded power supplies, condition and life of batteries over time, etc. This is just a spiderweb.

 

I am sure that you can upgrade all three of those devices and tailor the sound to your liking but it can get very expensive quickly. I dont believe AC power is better than USB power. I think AC power has much more variables than USB power.

 

The Sonicweld Diverter is a straight foward design. USB powered. It has all of its power filtration/cleaning built in. Basically this allows you to get the "sound" the designer meant you to receive.

 

There really is no way to say one transport is better than another, all products will sound different depending on components used, system matching/synergy and listening room/acoustics.

 

 

 

But anyways, just wanted to say that I am really enjoying my Halide Design Bridge but I am not sure if its my last transport. Not as good as my CD Transport but I would definately recommend it.


Edited by sk3383 - 4/30/11 at 8:21pm
post #101 of 148

Any chance you could expound a tad on the difference in sound quality between your standard Hiface and the Halide Bridge? I have a standard Hiface and I have to say that I didn't find it to improve the sound of my Audio-gd NFB10-WM at all using straight USB with a WyreWorld Ultraviolet USB cable. My last setup was a Nuforce HDP, and while it also had a very nice USB implementation, it seemed the Hiface brought about improvements over it, although they were subtle.

 

I would be really interested in your thoughts on how big of a difference the Bridge made over the Hiface for you. Although it is really subjective, I would appreciate if you could try and quantify the improvements.

 

I think your comments are right on about the other transports. At that level, they are all fantastic units. What interests me most about the Audiophilleo2 is that it seems to have the lowest jitter measurements of the crowd from the data I have been able to find. I read a bunch of measurements online, I think by Stereophile and they found the Audiophilleo (1 and 2) to have 10ps of jitter compared to 250-1000ps for most other high-end USB converters. That being said, not everyone will think that difference is critical while others might take those measurements with a grain of salt as well.

 

By all accounts I have read, the Halide Bridge is also a very nice solution.
 

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I have been reading Dave Clark's reviews on Postive Feedback and Computer Audiophile. He thinks very favorably about both the Audiophilleo and Halide Design Bridge. He stated that they have a very similar house sound.

 

He also stated that the Audiophilleo products have a similar house sound to the products mentioned above. Based on his review, I thinking he might hold the Audiophilleo in higher regard than both of the products above but I dont think the differences will significant enough.

 

My Halide Design Bridge only has about 30hrs on it thus far, the sound signature has opened up tad and sounds great but I doubt it will change much more. I'm seeking perfection, or atleast a sound signature thats as good as my CD transport.

 

I have read most of Dave Clark's reviews of USB transports, so far his comments have matched all of my findings with my M2Tech hiFace and Halide Design Bridge.

 

There are a couple of products that really intrigue me, the Empirical Audio Offramp 4 with Ultraclocks, and M2Tech Evo and JKeny's moddified hiFace.

 

These products have many variables. There performance can be altered by different power cords, power bars, power conditioners, wall warts, upgraded power supplies, condition and life of batteries over time, etc. This is just a spiderweb.

 

I am sure that you can upgrade all three of those devices and tailor the sound to your liking but it can get very expensive quickly. I dont believe AC power is better than USB power. I think AC power has much more variables than USB power.

 

The Sonicweld Diverter is a straight foward design. USB powered. It has all of its power filtration/cleaning built in. Basically this allows you to get the "sound" the designer meant you to receive.

 

There really is no way to say one transport is better than another, all products will sound different depending on components used, system matching/synergy and listening room/acoustics.

 

 

 

But anyways, just wanted to say that I am really enjoying my Halide Design Bridge but I am not sure if its my last transport. I highly recommend it. Its very close to my CD Transport.



 

post #102 of 148

 

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I think your comments are right on about the other transports. At that level, they are all fantastic units. What interests me most about the Audiophilleo2 is that it seems to have the lowest jitter measurements of the crowd from the data I have been able to find. I read a bunch of measurements online, I think by Stereophile and they found the Audiophilleo (1 and 2) to have 10ps of jitter compared to 250-1000ps for most other high-end USB converters. That being said, not everyone will think that difference is critical while others might take those measurements with a grain of salt as well.

 


 

I dont necessarily think the transport with the lowest jitter measurments will sound the best. I dont think we should be judging how a device sounds based on specs or measurements. All that matters is how the product sounds.

 

I see all these measurements and specs of products that claim to provide the best sound or most neutral playback but I dont think it always equals the best sound. 

 

post #103 of 148

While I agree in general that you don't want to judge components solely on their parts or specifications, I personally think it is a little different with these products as their primary purpose in my opinion is to address jitter, which is IMO the biggest problem with using a computer and USB as a transport. Because of this, I think it is perfectly logical to compare jitter measurements and to expect a correlation in sound quality - which many of the reviews seem to support. Anyway, I'm not trying to influence or convince anyone of my thoughts, but that is how I see it.
 

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I dont necessarily think the transport with the lowest jitter measurments will sound the best. I dont think we should be judging how a device sounds based on specs or measurements. All that matters is how the product sounds.

 

I see all these measurements and specs of products that claim to provide the best sound or most neutral playback but I dont think it always equals the best sound. 

 



 


Edited by Sid-Fi - 4/30/11 at 8:54pm
post #104 of 148

 

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Any chance you could expound a tad on the difference in sound quality between your standard Hiface and the Halide Bridge? I have a standard Hiface and I have to say that I didn't find it to improve the sound of my Audio-gd NFB10-WM at all using straight USB with a WyreWorld Ultraviolet USB cable. My last setup was a Nuforce HDP, and while it also had a very nice USB implementation, it seemed the Hiface brought about improvements over it, although they were subtle.

 

I would be really interested in your thoughts on how big of a difference the Bridge made over the Hiface for you. Although it is really subjective, I would appreciate if you could try and quantify the improvements.


I am not very good at getting my thoughts down in writing but I will try my best to paint a picture for you so to speak.

 

 

I use to own a couple of Audio-gd DACs about 1.5--2yrs ago. The USB input did not sound good at all. It was unlistenable.

 

Enter the M2Tech hiFace. I purchased this unit and found that I could finally bare to listen to computer audio. It was fairly enjoyable. Much lower noise floor, much blacker background, more resolving, more air, much more PRAT and dynamics.

 

I found myself using my CD player less and less.

 

Recently I started using my CD player to listen to a couple of new albums I purchsed. I ripped the music (WAV) to my computer also for backup purposes of course.

 

So yeah back to the CD player, I started to notice I was staying up much later and was listening to music much later into the evenings. Then I realized that I had not been listening to much computer audio, it was all CD player.

 

Started playing the same albums through the computer and immediately noticed that it sounded less envolving, sounded bright, tipped up, sounded digital so to speak.

 

Enter the Halide Design Bridge. I started researching transports and decided I would try this.

 

Music now sounds much fuller, much more envolving, toe tapping, organic, natural, best thing I can say is it has me smiling. Sometimes I feel like I can reach out and touch the musician or artist.

 

I find with the Halide Bridge I can listen to music much longer than with the hiFace.

 

Compared the Halide Bridge to my CD player, and the difference are suttle but theres many many small differences.

 

CD player has a touch/slightly more of the following: PRAT, dynamics, air, speed, and extension.

 

Oddly enough, I find the hiFace also has great PRAT, dynamics, air, speed and extension but the midrange is missing everything, theres not enough body, weight, organic, realism, just not authenic.

 

 


Edited by sk3383 - 4/30/11 at 9:11pm
post #105 of 148

Both devices sound good, both have their strenghts, and each could be perfect to someone...all depends on system matching and synergy.

 

I could very well see a M2Tech hiFace in a warm system (Tube Preamp or Tube integrated for example) sounding incredible.

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