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post #871 of 1479
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Originally Posted by Todd R View Post

If you guys get sick of the bridge and all the firmware nonsense, you can hook it up by my alternate method.

Grab a Logitech Touch (while you can, they're discontinued) and use that to bring the music to your DAC. 

Install the 3rd party app that turns the USB input to an output (Enhanced digital output). 

You'll have to install their server software, but it's free and works flawlessly. 

It's a tiny downgrade from the sound of the bridge, but it's so close you probably wouldn't pick it up unless you compare them head to head.

That's exactly what I have been doing for long time. In one of the system the Squeezebox feeds my PWD (MK II upgraded) and in the other it gors from the Squeezebox to a Genesis Ditigtal Time Lens and then to my Wadia 27. In both cased the sound if pretty good.

post #872 of 1479
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Originally Posted by Todd R View Post

If you guys get sick of the bridge and all the firmware nonsense, you can hook it up by my alternate method.

Grab a Logitech Touch (while you can, they're discontinued) and use that to bring the music to your DAC. 

Install the 3rd party app that turns the USB input to an output (Enhanced digital output). 

You'll have to install their server software, but it's free and works flawlessly. 

It's a tiny downgrade from the sound of the bridge, but it's so close you probably wouldn't pick it up unless you compare them head to head.

 

Does this Touch's USB conversion work on asynchonous USB DAC's? I have performed this on non-asynchronous DAC's before and it works quite well. For asynchronous DAC's, I heard it's very complicated. Never got it to work.

post #873 of 1479
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Originally Posted by gzone3lement View Post

 

Does this Touch's USB conversion work on asynchonous USB DAC's? I have performed this on non-asynchronous DAC's before and it works quite well. For asynchronous DAC's, I heard it's very complicated. Never got it to work.


It worked with the PWD, but I could not get it to work on a Wadia 121 or a Calyx 24/192 yet all of them are asynchronous. Not sure why it doesn't cooperate with all 3. 

post #874 of 1479

Well the PWD2 landed, the review notes are written and the Metrum will be hitting the F/S soon.  This follows my journey from the W4S DAC-2 to Metrum Octave w/ AP2 to PWD2.

 

It's been an interesting trip.  It's my first official SPDIF transport rolling experience which was its own ride.  Anyone curious as to whether a digital transport can make a difference?  Yes, yes it can.  The level of change, key word change not improvement, from one to another is rather surprising.  The onboard optical out was shouty, the EMU mixed rounded down low getting sharper as you climb, the AP2 consistent top to bottom more focused than the previous but still smooth.  The PWD2 NativeX on the other hand is even further up the focus chain, perhaps too far for some which explains the love for the 2.02 firmware.

 

Now you can't put the PWD digital board into the Octave so... AP2 it is ;)

 

Getting the easy out of the way.  The W4S only bests the Octave in one area... connectivity and features.  It's also darker overall but shouty which makes for an odd unnatural combination when compared to others.  Compared to the Octave, it also less specific in imaging, fuzzy and rolled up top even with the AP2.  Long story short, look elsewhere even if you want a dark source.

 

The Octave in comparison, with the AP2, is more naturally balanced if still a little shifted tonally down.  It's imaging is more specific but still rounded, less full than the W4S but still meaty, improved clarity and separation, very dynamic without being shouty.  Essentially better than the W4S in every way while still being cut from the same cloth.  Given it costs the same with the AP2, its a no brainer.

 

Unfortunately against the PWD2, it just doesn't compete.  Given the price difference is anyone surprised?  Short of it is the PWD2 is world class.  I have the 2.2.0 firmware and the resulting sound is extremely focused, imaging is ridiculously specific and separation, resolution and clarity are the best I've ever heard.  Tonally balanced and dynamic but not approaching shouty or overdone.  Warm without crossing into overly full.  Its a blink blink moment that's hard to believe :D

post #875 of 1479

Thanks for the impressions Solude. 

 

Has anyone compared the PWD to the Ref 7.1? I would be very interested in such a comparison as both seem to be world class DACs.

post #876 of 1479

Many thanks Solude ! I guess I'll be keeping my PWD2  after all , although I haven't quite reached your level of experience with mine.  Perhaps it requires a lot more break in :)

post #877 of 1479
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Originally Posted by DarknightDK View Post

Thanks for the impressions Solude. 

 

Has anyone compared the PWD to the Ref 7.1? I would be very interested in such a comparison as both seem to be world class DACs.

 

They are very different sounding. One has a "modern" DAC sound. The other has a "throwback" DAC sound.

post #878 of 1479

Better throw back than throw away ;)

post #879 of 1479

I appreciate that the PWD mk2 sounds great via USB, not much need for 3rd party spdif to usb adapter tomfoolery for galvanic isolation, asynch mode, etc.  Hopefully we'll see more dacs like this in the future.

post #880 of 1479

No need in fact.  If the AP2 is state of the art, the PWD2 is bleeding edge :D  I actually experienced a 'drop' in performance by using the AP2 on Native instead of the PWD2 alone on NativeX.  The AP2 is still tops for DACs that have average or no usb inputs though.

post #881 of 1479
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

 

They are very different sounding. One has a "modern" DAC sound. The other has a "throwback" DAC sound.

 

I'd be very interested in hearing what you think of the two DACs. I'm not sure how to interpret a modern vs classic sound.

 

I've only heard the PWD MK1 and only at a meet, so I have no idea and would like to know.

post #882 of 1479

Go find an old Classe DAC for an throwback.  Its very different.  In my opinion the old school DACs trade resolution for PRaT.

post #883 of 1479

Solude, I would appreciate a good definition of PRaT....I see it often, but have no idea what it stands for.

 

Thanks!

post #884 of 1479

Pace rhythm and timing.  Basically it's the ability of a piece to get you moving without knowing why ;)  My old Classe DAC.5 had it in spades, even non audiophiles couldn't help but get a giddy smile while listening to that DAC.

post #885 of 1479

Aha...The Toe Tapping factor.....Thanks!

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