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post #106 of 1489

Technically speaking the PWD sound be superior to other Dacs because of its Asynch abilities, but recently people are finding out that Asynch is nothing more than marketing hype created by someone who has successfully marketed and sold what is no more than a Valab Dac with  Asynch and a tube buffer for thousands of dollars.

 

Other than this marketing hype feature the PWD is pretty much on par with AGD wolfson Dac's.

post #107 of 1489

I seriously hope you have a valid source to corroborate your strong statement regarding asynchronous implementations, Dynobot. 

post #108 of 1489
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Originally Posted by K3cT View Post

I seriously hope you have a valid source to corroborate your strong statement regarding asynchronous implementations, Dynobot. 



You mean as far as Asynch making products inherently superior to non-Asynch devices?

 

Or my opinion that Asynch is nothing more than marketing hype because it has not proven itself as such?

 

post #109 of 1489
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Originally Posted by Dynobot View Post

Technically speaking the PWD sound be superior to other Dacs because of its Asynch abilities, but recently people are finding out that Asynch is nothing more than marketing hype created by someone who has successfully marketed and sold what is no more than a Valab Dac with  Asynch and a tube buffer for thousands of dollars.

 

Other than this marketing hype feature the PWD is pretty much on par with AGD wolfson Dac's.


Are you sure the PWD's USB is asynch?  I seem to recall that it is not--at least not like the Ayre, etc.  But I will check.  Also, have you actually heard both the PWD and Audio-GD wolfson DACs?

post #110 of 1489

PWD is adaptive USB for sure.

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PWD is adaptive USB for sure.



Correct - As I have said elsewhere I for one am sure that the entire Asynchronous USB FOTM is primarily marketing driven. USB, even with its best implementations is inferior to the best implementations of AES/EBU and SPDIF.

 

Back to the PWD, great DAC, and the Network Bridge sounds great as well.

post #112 of 1489

Yes, I received my Bridge about a week ago and it does sound great! Very natural and amazingly clean (when compared to USB from my computer)...I can really tell the difference in micro-detail during more quiet passages in music...

 

My one complaint with the bridge though, is that technically it shouldn't have been released for another two months, until they had the iPad app out, the TagnPlay server, as well as ironed out a lot of bugs.  As it is right now...i kind of find it to be a major pain to browse my library and the firmware is still feature incomplete.  I guess that on the bright side I got $200 off by getting now vs. later

post #113 of 1489
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And the wireless too, I was hoping they include the wireless in the Bridge.
post #114 of 1489

So dynobot's post is incorrect about the PWD being asynch.  Thanks for the clarification.

 

In looking for more information on the PWD USB implementation, I came across a post by Paul McGowan over on the PS Audio forum stating that "Sounds to me like you have your mixer active in windows for USB. This is always something to be careful of in USB which is, in my opinion, the choice of last resort when it comes to computer audio." (Emphasis added.)  This comment confuses me given that the PWD manual identifies the USB connection as the second best choice after i2s.  I posted a follow up to his comment asking him if he could reconcile the positions.  I'll be interested in his response.  I've found that PS Audio has been pretty transparent throughout the PWD development.

post #115 of 1489

Aside from the coolness factor, would the bridge be a compelling upgrade for me if I do most of my listening at my 'puter using optical out to the PWD?  In other words, would the bridge be a significant step up in SQ in such a scenario?

post #116 of 1489

I wasn't even trying to be disparaging of the PWD , just confirming that indeed async usb had nothing to do with the cost of the device vs an audio gd device.  Never mind the implication that any two wolfson dac using devices are on par.

 

So every implementation of asynchronous USB is automatically a load of crap, but an asynchronous network bridge is not?  What is it about usb that means it is not possible to properly fill a buffer like spdif, aes or networking and reconstruct the clock in a satisfactory manner?  I'm not even saying you are wrong, I just would like to know what is it about usb, that you feel it could never fill a buffer in an adequate manner no matter how it has been implemented.

 

I'm just curious, you don't have to enlighten me if you don't want.

post #117 of 1489

If you have your computer configured correctly Optical SPDIF is a good, but not great connection (better than USB IMHO). I think the Network Bridge rivals well done AES/EBU or Coaxial SPDIF (Or at least comes real close to them). Whether the improvement over SPDIF Optical is worth the $750 that the Bridge sells for is another question. I really like getting the computer out of the listening room, so I love it!

post #118 of 1489

Yeah, I'm actually kind of pissed about the whole wireless thing.  They made it seem as if the bridge has wireless built in...which is total BS since you actually need to buy a USB dongle from them when they releae it...I just hope it won't cost a fortune.

 

The other thing i'm really annoyed with is their promise to fully supposed ALAC..which as it is right now only works with 44/16 audio...and they seem unclear to whether or not anything higher will be supported down the line frown.gif

 

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And the wireless too, I was hoping they include the wireless in the Bridge.
post #119 of 1489
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Correct - As I have said elsewhere I for one am sure that the entire Asynchronous USB FOTM is primarily marketing driven. USB, even with its best implementations is inferior to the best implementations of AES/EBU and SPDIF.

 

Back to the PWD, great DAC, and the Network Bridge sounds great as well.

http://www.psaudio.com/ps/products/detail/perfectwave-dac

 

 

PerfectWave DAC

 

Features:

  • State of the art D to A processor
  • Optional network Bridge with Lens
  • Direct output to power amplifier
  • High resolution volume control
  • Full color touch screen
  • Assign custom input names
  • Polarity inversion control
  • Remote control
  • Sample rate converter bypass
  • 6 sample rates
  • 5 assignable filters
  • Triangulated dither
  • Asynchronous clock <
    Perhaps this is different than Asynch USB???
  • 7 digital inputs (one internal)
  • 24 bit 96kHz USB
  • I2S direct via HDMI
  • Discrete analog output stage
  • PRP PR9372 audio resistors
  • Nichicon and Panasonic power supply capacitors
  • Direct coupled with no capacitors
  • Jung regulators
  • 24 bit 192kHz
  • 32 bit input compatibility

Edited by Dynobot - 10/21/10 at 1:24pm
post #120 of 1489

I'm pretty certain that it does not mean asynch USB.  I weighed my options for a long time before making my decision on this DAC and it's definitely not an asynch usb dac like the Ayre QB-9.

 

To minimize my jitter situation I use a Halide Bridge which uses asynch usb mode to spdif.

 

Which brings me back to my earlier question smily_headphones1.gif  How do you guys feel about CD transports for the PWD, I'm getting the impression that any "decent" cdp should be good enough, but wondering if something higher up the chain would be more appropriate. (and thus in the case of a SACD/DSD player negating the need for the pwd!)


Edited by Mr.Sneis - 10/21/10 at 1:38pm
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