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I'm torn between headphones and IEM. Need help! RE0 vs ATH-M50/ES7/AD700 or any other suggestions.

post #1 of 15
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Hi guys, i've been lurking around long enough to know how much RE0 and ATH-M50/ES7/AD700  are rated, but the stores in Singapore don't carry RE0 demo sets yet so i cant audition them. I tried the ATH-M50 and i am quite impressed with it. I own a Nuforce NE-6 and CX680. I'm fine with both of their sound signatures
I need input because i really cant decide on what to buy.

I'm thinking about RE0 because i think i might be missing out on this hype if the discount goes off and that maybe i should just cut my budget and settle for something like RE0 and save the money for other things.

I'm also aware that some people will use the supposedly 2:1 SQ ratio of Headphones : IEM.

Portability / IEM / Closed / open cans / isolation isn't really a issue, i already have IEMs for traveling and sports. I'm just looking for a headphone or IEM i can fall in love with and probably use them at home ( good for gaming is a plus ) or when studying.

I listen to a wide range of music but more of instrumental, acoustics, songs with good vocals, a bit of electronic. I'm not really the rock & techno type. I wouldn't call myself a bass head but i value bass quantity(impact) , quality as well as the highs. I guess i need something balanced. I'm really torn between choices and i need some help ( which is very very very appreciated) ? My budget stretches as far as the ATH-M50 goes.

I thought that i should post this here instead of Headphones section, idk. correct me if i am wrong


EDIT: i'm aware that AD700 is probably more expensive than ATH-M50, but they are going on for cheaper prices on amazon than the M50.
 


Edited by summersnow344 - 5/17/10 at 12:30pm
post #2 of 15

I've had the AD700 for nearly two years now, and I love them. If you want sparkly and energetic treble and a speedy bass, the AD700 are for you. In terms of bass impact, they won't thump your head, but the bass sure is deep is quite smooth for me.

post #3 of 15

IMO, RE0 is definitely one of the best, and probably the best headphone for under $100 currently in production, regardless of type. It blows ATH-M50 away (I've owned both) and also beats just about every other closed headphone I've heard for $150 and under including Shure SRH840/750 DJ/440, M-Audio Q40, AKG K271/K181 DJ, and Sennheiser HD25-1 II. RE0 also surpasses my open backed Sennheiser HD555 in overal tonal balance, clarity, refinement  and detail resolution. I can guarantee it will beat ATH-AD700 as well. In my opinion, RE0 is around Sennheiser HD580/600, Grado SR225/325 level of performance. It is a steal at $79 if you value balanced accurate sound.

post #4 of 15

My Senn. HD650 sound way better than my HIFiMAN RE0. For in home use, I'll always use the HD650. I got the RE0 for portable players and air travel. 

 

The HD650 are pricyer than the RE0, but they're worth every penny.  

 

If your on the fence, just get the RE0 because they're cheap but good. Then you can save up for excellent home use headphones.

post #5 of 15

If you are a basshead, I would go with the cans.  From my experience, IEMs are for clarity of sound.  If you are looking for clarity, go for IEM, but if you are a basshead and want to feel the music, I would suggest cans.


Edited by High_Q - 5/17/10 at 9:05pm
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I use my RE0s when studying. The stock single flange tips are very comfortable, and the sound signature is fairly smooth. Bass impact leaves something to be desired.
 

 

If you already own some IEMs, go for a larger set of cans. I've been eyeing the ES7 just for the looks for a while now sad.

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Originally Posted by semisight View Post

I use my RE0s when studying. The stock single flange tips are very comfortable, and the sound signature is fairly smooth. Bass impact leaves something to be desired.
 

 

If you already own some IEMs, go for a larger set of cans. I've been eyeing the ES7 just for the looks for a while now sad.

 

I recommend getting different tips for the RE0. The stock single flanges ruin the bass response - it looses depth and becomes flabby. I think UE single flange tips work much better - the bass with them is much tighter than with the stock ones. if you get a good fit with RE0 with the right tips, it will blow ES7 away - no contest. RE0 is more on the level of ESW10 IMO.
 


Edited by Pianist - 5/17/10 at 11:28pm
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"I'm just looking for a headphone or IEM i can fall in love with and probably use them at home ( good for gaming is a plus ) or when studying." 

 

In that case, definitely go full-size. If your aim isn't generally portable use, then it's a no brainer.

 

AD700s will seem lacking in bass impact but with a good equalizer say using Foobar2000/Winamp + Electric-Q equalizer they will be fine for whatever your needs from my experience. I mean comparing say to my HD600s, they're not as articulate but for the price I think they do a very good job.

 

M50s I have not heard but I would assume since they're closed, the AD700s will beat them out on soundstage (and because the AD700s are renowned for having a big soundstage) not sure about anything else though. I have definitely heard they have good bass impact/punch out of the box but as I said, a good equalizer will fix that no problem by amping 20-60Hz.

 

I own the RE0s I wouldn't really say that they're particularly good value. They have good articularity sure, but especially classical instruments don't quite sound as realistic to me as say on my ER4Ps, extension is also relatively a bit less either way, less sparkle and less deep deep bass. I think they're very well priced for what they are ($80, and by the way I thing the special price is more or less the new RRP given how long it's been on, so don't feel your have to jump on it).

post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

I recommend getting different tips for the RE0. The stock single flanges ruin the bass response - it looses depth and becomes flabby. I think UE single flange tips work much better - the bass with them is much tighter than with the stock ones. if you get a good fit with RE0 with the right tips, it will blow ES7 away - no contest. RE0 is more on the level of ESW10 IMO.
 


I didn't say they were the best, just the most comfortable. The sony hybrids offer the best sound quality IMO to my untrained ears. Foam tips (like cut up earplugs/shure olives) offer the best experience (bass + mid oriented).

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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

IMO, RE0 is definitely one of the best, and probably the best headphone for under $100 currently in production, regardless of type. It blows ATH-M50 away (I've owned both) and also beats just about every other closed headphone I've heard for $150 and under including Shure SRH840/750 DJ/440, M-Audio Q40, AKG K271/K181 DJ, and Sennheiser HD25-1 II. RE0 also surpasses my open backed Sennheiser HD555 in overal tonal balance, clarity, refinement  and detail resolution. I can guarantee it will beat ATH-AD700 as well. In my opinion, RE0 is around Sennheiser HD580/600, Grado SR225/325 level of performance. It is a steal at $79 if you value balanced accurate sound.


High praise indeed. Looking forward to the eventual transfer of bank funds to my PayPal.

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Originally Posted by semisight View Post




I didn't say they were the best, just the most comfortable. The sony hybrids offer the best sound quality IMO to my untrained ears. Foam tips (like cut up earplugs/shure olives) offer the best experience (bass + mid oriented).


No, but you didn't mention that RE0s sound better with the other tips either. I wanted to share my experience that the stock single flange tips do not allow RE0 to perform at its best. I thought that I might help you do get better bass out of your RE0s as well since I didn't know that you are already using better tips with your RE0.

post #12 of 15

I've had em for a while now, I've tried a lot of different tips.

 

By the way, I think you were one of the head-fiers that convinced me to buy them (thank you indecision). I don't have any other high end phones to compare them to, but they are very good.

post #13 of 15

"I'm just looking for a headphone or IEM i can fall in love with and probably use them at home ( good for gaming is a plus ) or when studying."

 

IEMs are great for traveling, listening at work or outside, but for home listening (and definately gaming), get some full size headphones!

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thank you so much for the input, i'm just curious why Pianist sold his/her RE0 even though he/her sang high praise for them.


In reply to most post, more specifically, i was looking for SQ that will satisfy me. I didn't want to factor in things like portability, open or closed cans. I just want impressive SQ for the $$. Even though i somewhat come to realise that comparing RE0 to ATH-M50 is like comparing apples to orange. Some people prefer eating oranges, some prefer eating apples. RE0 to AD700 seems more comparable.
 

Anyway, i bought a RE0 for SGD$90, 3rd hand. Earphones are in good condition, RE0 version one ? the one with fabric braided and a straight jack. the buyer gave me a one week period grace for return. so why not, bring home and try them out first.

1st impression of the RE0, clarity in the highs and the mids sort of amazing, had the bass impact for some bass instrument (eps the bass guitar). Every instruments and the vocals were so clear, i can hear the guitar strings and volin very distinctively. ( had to change into many different tips to get the sound i thought i liked ).

Later on, i began to suspect the SQ of the RE0, i'm not really sure if i like them natural*, the vocals become less sastifying.. one other thing i've noted is the vocals are sometimes covered by the loud instruments. I also got confused by which tips actually produce better sound, different tips affects the SQ differently. ( i have comply T400 foam,  silicon stock tips from RE0 and nuforce NE-6's , Nuforce ones have smaller holes compared to RE0's, which was huge. ) After a few hours of listening, i became even more confused, i guess i'm going to bring my lazy bum to audition the Cans to see which one i like better.  on the side note, RE0 do sound better on PC than on my Ipod touch ( had to increase volume by so much on the ipod touch).

Any comments ? should i just keep them.
 


Edited by summersnow344 - 5/18/10 at 1:06pm
post #15 of 15

I say skip all of them and go for the Shure 750dj

 

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