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post #76 of 122

All cowons I ever owned (starting from the M3 up to the S9) never let me down in both the battery and the sound department.

If you ever pair a portable up with IEM's you need a portable with a high s/n ratio and cowon rocks in that department, no background noise, i repeat no background noise.

post #77 of 122

IMO at the entry level, you want to invest a little more in your headphones than your source. Buy a Sansa clip or Fuze and some decent headphones and be done with it, until you try out a LOT more players. For my portable setup I use my Fuze and my Livewires, and it sounds better than anything that I've tried that doesn't have to plug into the wall. Plus it's the least invasive portable setup I can imagine. If I'm at home I have my home rig.

post #78 of 122
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For the best possible sound from a portable device the $800 HiFiMAN-HM801 is your choice. I have one, and it completely blow away the sound quality of every portable device I've heard. It has a 30 day money back guarantee in case you don't find it worthy of your cash. Which is unlikely to happen...


    Can you elaborate on which portable devices you have heard?

    I like to know since I would not mind hearing how it may compare to the Sony MZ-M200 Minidisc player.

post #79 of 122

As far as audible sound improvements go I think my sig is a fairly good reference point. Also why use wav files when you could use FLAC?

Finally, I think a lot of members would disagree with your comment on the newest iPods being the "best".
 

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I don't think it's always the Ipod, it's also your speaker input and whatever files you're using. MP3s are condensed and just sound crappy anyways. you need something that plays wav files. or just stick with being old school and support your local record shops!!

 

thanks.

 

If you have to buy an mp3 player, the latest ipod you can get is the best, however I've heard that the touch screens go out pretty quickly.

post #80 of 122
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I think a lot of members would disagree with your comment on the newest iPods being the "best".

 


True...they are still the same since they started...just some cosmetic changes. 

post #81 of 122
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    Can you elaborate on which portable devices you have heard?

    I like to know since I would not mind hearing how it may compare to the Sony MZ-M200 Minidisc player.


iPod Touch 64gb, Zune 120, Zune 30gb, iPod Touch 1st gen 8gb, Zune HD, iPod Classic 160gb, iPhone 3GS, Sony X1061, Creative Zen X-Fi, Cowon S9 and Cowon D2.

post #82 of 122

I am really liking the Sony VGF-AP1L that i picked up from a thrift store recently...

 

Okay, its from 2004 - but, has a 40GB HD, and pretty nice SQ - As flat as a pancake (makes my MTPC sing sweetly!!) - As it stands, if you can live with Sonicstage, the sound per pound value is awesome from the used market :)

post #83 of 122

I have the Clip+. Have had it since last Christmas. It's been a really good player for me. Trouble free thus far. Very small and convenient sized, and kick ass sound. I just got the PA2V2 for it, and some Nationite Brainwavz M1 IEM's. Have some hippo VB's ordered. Anyways, the Clip+ is a good all around player. I live near Springfield Illinois, and they're $50 at Best Buy, but you can catch them on sale for $40. Great deal, worth every penny of it.


Edited by Berserker - 5/28/10 at 6:27pm
post #84 of 122

As much as I agree with your statements, kind sir, and even despite all the negative experiences that I've had with Head Direct, (HiFiMAN) your vitriolic tirade is borderline racism.
 

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Originally Posted by revenge View Postas far as I can tell, the future of the high end portable industry has little to do with bizarre attempts like your little big Chinese Hifiman.

 

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Originally Posted by revenge View Post And then a certain Chinese manufacturer has the guts to sell me another crap amplifier to compliment as badly (it's not me, it's users who have actually bought the Game who say it) my IEMs? Are you serious? Are you absolutely, 100% serious? Because if you do, I pitty you.
post #85 of 122

Ok, let me rephrase this: how many truly hifi setups have you seen coming from China? I don't have anything against the Chinese (and I actually have one or two good Chinese friends), the problem is you don't become a hifi manufacturer overnight. It usually takes decades of experience, unless you have a Ken Ishiwata or a Doug Self on the payroll. Even if you do, you also need the technology to put their designs into practice. I am least impressed by a splendid list of DACs and opamps. I wouldn't care less if it's a Burr Brown, a Philips or a dual Wolfson DAC in my player because, from my experience, the way the DAC is implemented is at least as important as the DAC itself.

And I have listened to loads of DACs coming from China and other bits and pieces and I have yet to find one single product to match their European, Japanese or American counterparts. I'm sure they'll get there eventually but right now all I could say about most, if not all, Chinese hifi attempts is that they might offer good value for the money (debatable). But that's definitely not the case with the Hifiman.

If that's racism, then I am a racist.


Edited by revenge - 5/29/10 at 2:06am
post #86 of 122

How can you guys stand such tiny amounts of space 8GB 16 GB 32GB. I have like 400GB of ALAC and I can only put on the 100GB of stuff I want the most. I have like 6 playlists I have to rotate depending on what mood I'm in. If I only had 16GB of space I would shoot myself in the head. Samsung has 240GB 1.8" drives out now. I will probly mod Either my Imod or a Zune to 240GB and I still wont be able to hold everything but atleast most of the main stuff I listen to, 8-32GB is useless especially for lossless. How do so many of you people put up with such tiny space?

post #87 of 122
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How can you guys stand such tiny amounts of space 8GB 16 GB 32GB. I have like 400GB of ALAC and I can only put on the 100GB of stuff I want the most. I have like 6 playlists I have to rotate depending on what mood I'm in. If I only had 16GB of space I would shoot myself in the head. Samsung has 240GB 1.8" drives out now. I will probly mod Either my Imod or a Zune to 240GB and I still wont be able to hold everything but atleast most of the main stuff I listen to, 8-32GB is useless especially for lossless. How do so many of you people put up with such tiny space?


I just go with simple mp3-files in the encoding range from 192-320. I will probably re-rip all of my collection in VBR0 for best possible quality as lowest possible size (for me "transparency" or "close to CD quality" is a bit over LAME 200kbps). This will result in a collection totaling over 90GB. I like different sound signatures, so I have now got a bit of a collection of DAP:s and I alternate between them. I've got different genres on different players and for me it works great. Then I have all of my collection on my DAP:s and I do not need to remove and transfer music to make room.

You could go for a few players and put all of your collection on it, dividing the music as you like. For me, multiple DAP:s is a very good solution.

post #88 of 122

I download only FLAC audio. Then convert it to alac for the ipod. But when I get my Zune I'llhave to convert em all to wma lossless. Thats gonna take forever. But with lossless Audio you need atleast 100 gigs for a decent amount of songs. So all flash players are a no go.

post #89 of 122

Freeze, I generally do the same (and thank god for Max, otherwise it would be a nightmare, dbpoweramp conversions are rarely 100% compatible with iTunes) but I am yet to be convinced about any significant benefits of going from high bit rate mp3's to loseless on a portable. Even on JH13 Pro or Ed.8, the differences are so subtle that I wouldn't bet on my ability to tell the difference in a double blind test, on regular recordings. The Chesky Sampler or B&W Very New Audiophile Recordings, yes. Pantha Du Prince or The Radio Dept, very unlikely. Benchmark is a different story but with a 200$ player, particularly the Ipod, ALAC is probably overkill in 99% of the time.

post #90 of 122
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Freeze, I generally do the same (and thank god for Max, otherwise it would be a nightmare, dbpoweramp conversions are rarely 100% compatible with iTunes) but I am yet to be convinced about any significant benefits of going from high bit rate mp3's to loseless on a portable. Even on JH13 Pro or Ed.8, the differences are so subtle that I wouldn't bet on my ability to tell the difference in a double blind test, on regular recordings. The Chesky Sampler or B&W Very New Audiophile Recordings, yes. Pantha Du Prince or The Radio Dept, very unlikely. Benchmark is a different story but with a 200$ player, particularly the Ipod, ALAC is probably overkill in 99% of the time.


For someone like me, with a tiny library (as I exceedingly rarely keep entire albums, even at home - not being an album kind of person) - doing all FLAC on a 16GB player (S9) is no problem at all. Placebo effect is free, and you are guaranteed to have no extra artifacts that low bitrate MP3s (I know 192 and under can have them, not sure about higher than that) have, so why not indulge yourself?

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