Originally Posted by Skylab
And that is precisely where Carver did himself a DISSERVICE. The Current-source output doesn't sound tubey to me at all - like you and downsize, the sound is too bright/crisp up top from the voltage-source outputs. It sounds great from the current-source outputs (again for the mid/tweet section only). Carver shouldn't have described it that way.
Bob Carver once staged some crazy public demo where he attempted to prove that he could make a SS amp sound exactly like a tube amp. I think a lot of people think he succeeded as far as the test went, but I'm not sure what that really got him.
I love tube amps, but not for speakers. Preamps, headphone amps, and in DACs and phono preamps - but I need SS for driving my B&W's.
Wow Skylab .... I had forgotten that. You really brought back some memories. I was at one of his demonstrations where he did his whole Carver SS amp demo. The demo amazed some, and left others scratching their heads. He simply rolled off the highs, and brought forward the mids to try and accomplish this. Taken in context though ; At this time in high end audio, circa 1984-1985, literally ALL solid state amps sounded very mid 80's solid state .... That is, edgy and harsh to some extent. So literally ANY change from this was easily perceived as "tubey" sounding at that time. Even then, he was trying for something new and exciting.
BTW Skylab ... FWIW, the best sound I ever heard from a pair of 801s came from a monsterous Classe CA-400, with all Naim front end and Tara Labs Decade wiring. It was a customer's system that was truly, truly amazing. Just perfect synergy in a also great sounding listening room.
Edit : Carver demonstrated his amp against two other amps ; An Adcom GFA-555 and a big Yamaha. Both very bright and edgy amps. At this particular time in high end audio, the solid state amps that were creeping towards tube sounding, were McIntosh, Luxman, and Nakamichi in the more affordable high end price brackets .... With Coda and another who's name eludes me in the high priced bracket for great solid state amps. Luxman was just tubey sounding enough back then, to be very sucessfully mated with Klipsch's horn speakers. Even though I never cared for Klipsch, this actually made for a very nice listening experience.
Edited by downsize - 5/15/10 at 1:34pm