New Portable Player "DP_I" from Little Dot - Page 3

When I was reading over the specs on this a few things hit me.

1. Is the flash memory the only kind? The price is $500, add on a 32GB SD on top, and this is pricey!

2. Umm Iriver-ihp anyone?  Seems like this is aiming for what the iriver did. Vorbis, digital out... etc.  I wonder if this will sound comparable or better than the iriver ihp series.

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Originally Posted by elwappo99 

When I was reading over the specs on this a few things hit me.

 

1. Is the flash memory the only kind? The price is $500, add on a 32GB SD on top, and this is pricey!

I guess it depends on if this is true:
 

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Originally Posted by prone2phone 

'USB input allows one to connect external hard drives with music for playback' . do you understand this the same as me?

-john

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Originally Posted by koonhua90 

It's the digital out that's looking interesting here. I wonder how this would compare to the HM802.

Do you mean the HM-602 or HM-801?

I personally think it will be a competitor to the 602... we'll see.

Hi Swanlee,

It is perfectly normal for the Sansa Fuze and Clip end up participating in almost every topic on portable devices because of its good sound quality and low price, coupled with the fact they can receive the Rockbox and have good UI. These devices are not perfect, however, have excellent cost/benefit.

What I do not understand is how the S: Flo2 always appears as a reference in terms of sound quality. For me, this unit has very limited use and can be appreciated only with full-size headphones. For IEM's, it is too powerful and the sound is far from crystal as a Cowon J3, for example. The output line-out suffers from this same problem and some amplifiers have difficulty dealing with such power.

I've had 2 S:Flo2 therefore my opinion should be considered. For me, S:Flo2 suffers from excess of power and all that power does not translate into sound quality.

Finally, I believe that when this player become more popular, the level of interest will download fairly even, perhaps, forgotten.

Swanlee, I know you're a great admirer of this player, and please, do not take my views as some sort of personal attack, which definitely is not. I just do not like the product and think it's important that others know opinions contrary to the majority.

Cheers,

Peter
 

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Originally Posted by cardozo 

Hi Swanlee,

 

It is perfectly normal for the Sansa Fuze and Clip end up participating in almost every topic on portable devices because of its good sound quality and low price, coupled with the fact they can receive the Rockbox and have good UI. These devices are not perfect, however, have excellent cost/benefit.

What I do not understand is how the S: Flo2 always appears as a reference in terms of sound quality. For me, this unit has very limited use and can be appreciated only with full-size headphones. For IEM's, it is too powerful and the sound is far from crystal as a Cowon J3, for example. The output line-out suffers from this same problem and some amplifiers have difficulty dealing with such power.

I've had 2 S:Flo2 therefore my opinion should be considered. For me, S:Flo2 suffers from excess of power and all that power does not translate into sound quality.

Finally, I believe that when this player become more popular, the level of interest will download fairly even, perhaps, forgotten.

Swanlee, I know you're a great admirer of this player, and please, do not take my views as some sort of personal attack, which definitely is not. I just do not like the product and think it's important that others know opinions contrary to the majority.

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

cardozo,

I like your writing. Nice. I'd like to see your reviews for other players and headphones in the future.

Swanlee's love to Sflo2 is very apparent. I am not surprised if he opens a shop to sell Sflo2, and why not?

These can now be purchased on eBay for $479.00

having an excellent and capable output either HO or LO is very desirable. Who cares about IEM's. If the IEM is too sensitive, then use an inline attenuator.

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Originally Posted by DJGeorgeT 

Who cares about IEM's. If the IEM is too sensitive, then use an inline attenuator.

Dear DJGeorgeT,

This is not the correct path.

An in-line attenuator is nothing more than a variable resistance and like all resistances, may benefit or harm a specific IEM. Not to mention that, depending on the quality of the attenuator, you can have a lower quality in the sound from this setup. In the attenuator that came with my SE530, for example, you can find differences of up to 10 ohms between channels, depending on the position of the volume knob in the inline attenuator.

Cheers,

Peter

This is what you need. A high quality, in-line fixed resistance. You can tell the sell what resistor value you want.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Etymotic-ER4P-ER4S-3-5MM-plug-resistor-adaptor-/270651444170?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f04154bca
 

As I have indicated before, a powerful LO or HO is a good thing because of its ability to drive higher impedance loads. This differentiates the real players toys from the toys. 
 

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Originally Posted by cardozo 

Dear DJGeorgeT,

 

This is not the correct path.

An in-line attenuator is nothing more than a variable resistance and like all resistances, may benefit or harm a specific IEM. Not to mention that, depending on the quality of the attenuator, you can have a lower quality in the sound from this setup. In the attenuator that came with my SE530, for example, you can find differences of up to 10 ohms between channels, depending on the position of the volume knob in the inline attenuator.

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

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Originally Posted by DJGeorgeT 

This is what you need. A high quality, in-line fixed resistance. You can tell the sell what resistor value you want.

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Etymotic-ER4P-ER4S-3-5MM-plug-resistor-adaptor-/270651444170?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f04154bca
 

As I have indicated before, a powerful LO or HO is a good thing because of its ability to drive higher impedance loads. This differentiates the real players toys from the toys. 
 

 

DJGeorgeT:

I understand what you mean, though, things are not so simple. The problem is not always the result is positive, as some phones do not get good results when used with a resistance.

In my experience, the headphones with dynamic driver does not play well when connected to a resistance, unlike the balanced armature drivers, which generally work well, depending only on the taste of the listener.

Finally, I give the example of the Etymotic earphones ER4S/ER4P, who play quite differently, precisely because of the difference in impedance (75 ohm). And if you think that the higher the impedance, the greater the difference in the sound result, a high impedance to contain an extremely potent output can completely mess up the resulting in sound setup.

Cheers,

Peter

Again, I am not totally convinced that the 75 ohm adapter for the ER4P to ER4S is resistive. I think that there is capacitance in the 75 ohm value and as a result the frequency response of the ER4S is significantly different than the ER4P. I haven't heard changes in sound signature or audio quality by using an inline pot or resistor. And the HO of the s:flo 2 uses a pot, maybe not in series with the HO. 
 

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Originally Posted by cardozo 

 

DJGeorgeT:

 

I understand what you mean, though, things are not so simple. The problem is not always the result is positive, as some phones do not get good results when used with a resistance.

In my experience, the headphones with dynamic driver does not play well when connected to a resistance, unlike the balanced armature drivers, which generally work well, depending only on the taste of the listener.

Finally, I give the example of the Etymotic earphones ER4S/ER4P, who play quite differently, precisely because of the difference in impedance (75 ohm). And if you think that the higher the impedance, the greater the difference in the sound result, a high impedance to contain an extremely potent output can completely mess up the resulting in sound setup.

 

Cheers,

 

Peter

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Originally Posted by DJGeorgeT 

Again, I am not totally convinced that the 75 ohm adapter for the ER4P to ER4S is resistive. I think that there is capacitance in the 75 ohm value and as a result the frequency response of the ER4S is significantly different than the ER4P. I haven't heard changes in sound signature or audio quality by using an inline pot or resistor. And the HO of the s:flo 2 uses a pot, maybe not in series with the HO. 
 

 

Hi DJGeorgeT!

Great discussion!

Firstly, sorry for the bad English and I always make the confusion between capacitance/resistance. I never remember exactly which is which ...

Anyway, our discussion reached the subjectivism and I respect your opinion. What I hear is not necessarily what you hear and difference of opinion is exactly that. Indeed, it is this difference that brings us here, is not it? )

Cheers,

Peter

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Originally Posted by shigzeo 

Ive found that resistive impedance adapters work wonders for certain playes and dynamic earphones, but every balanced armature I've used and tested reacts funny to impedance adapters, losing treble detail or gaining too much in other areas.

For dynamic earphones, I could almost swear by a nice one, though.

Hi shigzeo!

For me, the resistance in the setup, when we use a balanced armature headphone, has a lot to do with the "image" of the sound. When implemented well, you win soundstage, separation and placement of instruments. In short, the sound becomes more natural and spacious.

Of course there is a relationship between signal strength, the resistance value and the total resistance of the headphone itself, which need to be well matched.

For example: I do not like the result of my Shure SE530 with P to S adapter from my Ety, using the Cowon J3. The result is a sound artificially "deep", as if you were listening to music in a cave...
Moreover, this Shure suffers, in my opinion, lack of resistance, because their "default" sound is too stoned or condensate, with little or almost no soundstage or spatiality. In this case, I believe it would work well with a resistance between 20 and 40 ohms, for example.

Already in the dynamic driver earphones, the higher the resistance, the more "slow" are these headphones and you're bound to have a power output increased to compensate for this "slowness" of the headphones. So, in this case, the resistance does not provide a change in the sound signature of the phone and yes, makes it more suitable for the use of a headphone amplifier.

Cheers,

Peter

eBay link for anyone interested. 

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360315201009&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT