Hifiman HM-801 RMAA Tests - Page 3  

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Originally Posted by Nankai 

Wadia 861 from Stereophile

$7950

DAC: PCM1704K (same to HM-801)

http://www.stereophile.com/cdplayers/540/index.html

 

LOL, Thanks for the info Nankai,

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Originally Posted by Nankai 

We experienced same "shock" two years ago when we were doing the experiement of PCM1704 circuit: The flater plot you have, the more "digital" sound you got. Finally we decide to follow the ears, not plot. Btw, RMAA is not professional enough.

Well, you have pretty much made dfkt look foolish trying to put down the best portable audio player in the market.

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Originally Posted by Nankai 

We experienced same "shock" two years ago when we were doing the experiement of PCM1704 circuit: The flater plot you have, the more "digital" sound you got. Finally we decide to follow the ears, not plot. Btw, RMAA is not professional enough.

Yea what if you don't like your music to sound flat? I hate flat sound, boring, non emotional, clinical.

not for my tastes

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Originally Posted by Sonic 748i 

Well, you have pretty much made dfkt look foolish trying to put down the best portable audio player in the market.

You fanboys are always so impartial...

I'm sorry if I offended you in any way...

So what we've established is that it doesn't matter what your equipment is, all that matters is that it sounds good compared to whatever else you have.

dfkt; any ETA (after release date) on the J3 review? I know you guys don't put out articles often, but I'd imagine the J3 would be one that's going to be out as soon as possible. Not that you should rush it, but I am a fan of your website's reviews (but not the articles. They're kind of stupid, in my opinion).

Right so when stereophile reviewed it and named it the best sounding portable player, they too must've been deaf?  A cheap dac+cheap IC+cheap circuitry (I'm talking about the clip here) must be the same as a top of the line DAC and OPA627 amps right? I mean, what do electrical engineers know about good ICs right? Some dude on a forum MUST be the expert.

Man dfkt, I actually thought you knew what you were writing about. Well everyone makes mistakes, I've learned from mine.

If you think  a clip sounds as good as the hm801, you have no business delving into or writinganything about hi-fi. Skullcandy will be fine for you.

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Originally Posted by Bojamijams 

Right so when stereophile reviewed it and named it the best sounding portable player, they too must've been deaf?  A cheap dac+cheap IC+cheap circuitry (I'm talking about the clip here) must be the same as a top of the line DAC and OPA627 amps right? I mean, what do electrical engineers know about good ICs right? Some dude on a forum MUST be the expert.

 

Man dfkt, I actually thought you knew what you were writing about. Well everyone makes mistakes, I've learned from mine.

 

If you think  a clip sounds as good as the hm801, you have no business delving into or writinganything about hi-fi. Skullcandy will be fine for you.

LOL!!! I don't think I've ever laughed this hard.

I just think some people put to much int clinical graphs just like some people put to much into snake oil. We should be able to draw some conclusions from each side but in the end we have to decide what we like based on what we hear and our own personal preferences.

A player that has treble roll off at 15K is not big deal for me cause that is where my hearing stops, for someone else this may be a huge deal. A player that dips in bass will not meet my approval as I like a lot of bass someone else may not care. A player with a crazy graph curve may match my personal preferences as to what I like in sound signature which is more enjoyable to me than a flat line.

You simply can't look at a graph and get the complete picture on how a player REALLY sounds but graphs can explain why a player has certain charactoristics.

At some point if you don't let your own ears decide what you prefer then why bother even listening to music, just look at straight line graphs all day then.

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Originally Posted by Bojamijams 

Right so when stereophile reviewed it and named it the best sounding portable player, they too must've been deaf?  A cheap dac+cheap IC+cheap circuitry (I'm talking about the clip here) must be the same as a top of the line DAC and OPA627 amps right? I mean, what do electrical engineers know about good ICs right? Some dude on a forum MUST be the expert.

 

Man dfkt, I actually thought you knew what you were writing about. Well everyone makes mistakes, I've learned from mine.

 

If you think  a clip sounds as good as the hm801, you have no business delving into or writinganything about hi-fi. Skullcandy will be fine for you.

Spent $800 on sub par DAC, must defend or look like fool, MUST DEFEND! MUUUUUUST!

bojamijams, got real personal ... srsly wtf mate!?

dfkt didnt say it sounded better, however the tests do show that the clip+ scores better in RMAA than an 801. citing subjective reviews to devalue test results is reaching, at best. now if you want to call into question RMAA, or BOTH of the 801s he used that would be a different story. but the scores are there, cant deny them regardless of what you hear. 

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Originally Posted by Rockford 

 

 

Spent $800 on sub par DAC, must defend or look like fool, MUST DEFEND! MUUUUUUST!

So we're suppose to sit here and let people throw out attacks at our purchases and not retaliate? Would you like if someone went about bashing why you don't just use iPod earbuds and music sounds the same through any speaker? No, you would defend yourself.
 

why noone speaks about how good hm801's dynamic range is? or frequency is most important? do distortions show how good  instrument separation is?