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post #1 of 18
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Do you run with IEMs in urban areas?

Quite simply, I run at night so the isolation can be a but too much, with any universal and 40-60% volume.
Too much for traffic sometimes.
Too much for security (from people).

Any bad experiences?
Should I just ignore these risks?

I had some guys shout at me and then throw something near me to get my attention, but I grabbed one of them at that point and they said they only wanted a cigarette (why the hell would a runner with precious few pockets and a sweaty head have a cigarette?). One of those guys could have crept up or jumped out on me...
post #2 of 18
My college campus crime reports specifically mentions not to stroll with headphones. Since people will target; due to seeing them on you.
I use earbuds; like PK2s; a can keep a better awareness.
Though in jogger wear, you probably won't get targeted over possessions.
Though a cell phone...
post #3 of 18
Actually I stopped using IEM's for jogging mainly for two reasons:

1. My music style just doesn't work for running (seriously try running while listening to "Cradle of Filth" - it drives me nuts)
2. You will feel the increased blood pressure during your workout as the arteries widen and so the tight seal of IEMs actually turns into uncomfortable pressure.

Also I don't think it's to good for your expensive gear to be exposed to sweat all the time. I would recommend simply using some earbuds like the Apple ones as it's nombig deal if they break.
post #4 of 18
I would have told that guy to smoke my fuuckin pole! Seriously, what a jerk. I would have ignored that dip shiit.

Anyway, I have ruined many a pair of IEMs running/working out. I'd suggest what I finally settled with. I think the model number is PMX80, by Sennheiser. It's a band type headphone, but it's perfect for running and doesn't isolate like IEMs.
post #5 of 18
I would have told that guy to smoke my fuuckin pole! Seriously, what a jerk. I would have ignored that dip shiit.

Anyway, I have ruined many a pair of IEMs running/working out. I'd suggest what I finally settled with. I think the model number is PMX80, by Sennheiser. It's a band type headphone, but it's perfect for running and doesn't isolate like IEMs.
post #6 of 18
The noise isolation around should be enough to dissuade anybody from running around in the city with IEMs, essentially deaf.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by Galatian View Post
Actually I stopped using IEM's for jogging mainly for two reasons:

1. My music style just doesn't work for running (seriously try running while listening to "Cradle of Filth" - it drives me nuts)
2. You will feel the increased blood pressure during your workout as the arteries widen and so the tight seal of IEMs actually turns into uncomfortable pressure.

Also I don't think it's to good for your expensive gear to be exposed to sweat all the time. I would recommend simply using some earbuds like the Apple ones as it's nombig deal if they break.

Music I like best

Music that is least easy for me to listen with my cx400 IEMS is music with extended quieter & reflective passages...even wearing over the ear I can hear my feet hit the ground as I run, not much fun. Even when listening to a lot of post-rock I'll fast forward past the slow starting song beginnings so I can get to where I can no longer hear my running, usually about 1/3 way into the songs.

I just checked out "Cradle" at last.fm and it sounds like anything but quiet so that's the sort of musical complexity that enjoy running most to, but that's me.

I listen to a lot of stuff...At War With Self, Jeff Beck, Pelican, Caspian and Beardfish & Buckethead were on my playlist at the track tonight for example, & they all sound great to me running or working out.


Pressure inside the ear

I've never tried double or triple flanges, but I'd think that the deeper the tips go in the ear, the more you'd be susceptible to a problem like this. I've either used primarily either KSC-35s/75s or Senn 300/400s. I listen to my cx400s over 90% of the time because I enjoy their sound the most. They are a low profile, shallow insertion phone that have made running a lot more enjoyable to me, and I have never experienced any discomfort while running/working out with them...no matter how long the workout...the longest with the cx's being a near 3 hour run through the woods last summer.

It could be in addition to their shallow depth, that their wafer thin silicone tips are also naturally the most "self-adusting" to any changes in pressure during an extended workout.

I am a little leery about getting more expensive IEMs because the drivers do tend to get semi-drowned in the sweat that accumulates in my ears while working out...but although that worried me when I first started running with them, amazingly they've held up great so far even when caught outside in downpours...having said that I think I'd be a lot more careful running with something like SM3s, if I even ever chose to at all.

Running outside in questionable areas

I'm pretty opinionated about where and how I run -- boiling those beliefs to their essence, I believe you are born with only so many miles on your knees, and especially when your cartilage gets worn down or torn, you will run with increasing discomfort the more cumulative pounding you have subjected them to.

So I rarely run in areas where isolation of IEMs is an issue. I make the effort travel to and from the local trails (about 75%), the local cushioned track (~10%), or the gym's treadmill (~15%). I used to *really* miss the freedom of just stepping outside my door and hitting the asphalt, and very very occasionally I still will. Still, I listen to my IEMs most of the time I run/work out and since my location choices also allow for worry-free listening almost all the time, I can't complain because it's kept my ears and knees remaining pretty damn happy.

I guess if I ever get bit by the marathon bug again, I think I'd try a combination of sticking with my cx400s and trying out either the Soundmagic PL21s or PL30s, both IEMS rating nicely in SQ but poor in isolation, which should be a pretty good thing for road running. The cx's, one of those PLs and my KSC 35s/75s along with my Clip+ and I think I'd feel pretty good about getting back into training in areas of higher traffic.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by aameerp View Post
Do you run with IEMs in urban areas?

Quite simply, I run at night so the isolation can be a but too much, with any universal and 40-60% volume.
Too much for traffic sometimes.
Too much for security (from people).

Any bad experiences?
Should I just ignore these risks?

I had some guys shout at me and then throw something near me to get my attention, but I grabbed one of them at that point and they said they only wanted a cigarette (why the hell would a runner with precious few pockets and a sweaty head have a cigarette?). One of those guys could have crept up or jumped out on me...
well i'm not a jogger, but i can definately comment about 'questionable urban areas'. i really don't worry about traffic as much as ppl. if you have headphones on, especially with white cables, you're a mark for a mugging. and if youre isolated from your surroundings, that makes it even worse. where i live broad daylight robberies are not uncommon, so i always want to be aware of my surroundings and not avertise what i have.

oh and the cigarette thing, he/they were probly trying to rob you. i'm always suspicious of weird people like that. some wanker tried to steal my ipod before. he asks me what i'm listening to. i say the restarts and he says i love that band, can i listen? HELL NO!! plus i wanted to laugh out loud cuz i have a hard time believing some wannabe thugster has the slightest clue who a UK hardcore punk band is!
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Galatian View Post
Actually I stopped using IEM's for jogging mainly for two reasons:

1. My music style just doesn't work for running (seriously try running while listening to "Cradle of Filth" - it drives me nuts)
2. You will feel the increased blood pressure during your workout as the arteries widen and so the tight seal of IEMs actually turns into uncomfortable pressure.

Also I don't think it's to good for your expensive gear to be exposed to sweat all the time. I would recommend simply using some earbuds like the Apple ones as it's nombig deal if they break.
I should have mentioned point number two as well. I couldn't use foams because of the pressure (I just felt warm and claustrophobic).

Yeah, extreme metal is just too much for running, but I'm sure some people do listen to that sort of music during exercise.

I said IEM because I assumed they're less visible than headphones or white buds, but I also based that on IEMs I've used, mainly Westone UM1 and UM2, both are clear, fit over the ear with cable down your back and neck slider. I also have black air so they aren't very visible at all.

I had (didn't buy) B&O A8 earbuds which I thought would be great, as most earbuds fall out of my ear, but I gave them away.

As for trails etc., there are none around for me and there won't be any when I'm at university, so it'll be streets or parks. I have found it easier to listen to softer music or even audiobooks or lectures when running on softer ground (I don't stamp my feet or anything!).
post #10 of 18
earbuds (Y style) or nothing for me. Too dangerous otherwise
post #11 of 18
I don't because I don't want sweat to potentially damage my headphones and also because I don't like the feeling of not being able to hear the outside world.
post #12 of 18
imo use cheap iems or use a lightweight headphone(like the motorola s9 bt headphone, bad sound but keep me accompany)

wanna know how my sound magic pl30 died? well it got loose and dive into milkshake...... yes a cup of milk shake after work out is the best treat ........
post #13 of 18
I use custom molded(Fisher) TripleFi10's when I run outside and Senn IE7 at the gym. I have never had a problem.
post #14 of 18
When I ran outside (most of my running) I used the Koss KCS75. Good sound (for me) and let enough of the outside in to keep me aware of things going on around me. Plus, they're cheap & have that lifetime warranty.
post #15 of 18

I almost ran over the same guy TWICE!

 

I suspect it was partially because he was earing IEM's and paritally because he was generally an idiot. I guess the second part was verified by the first.

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