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post #2251 of 3037
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Originally Posted by Dustandshadow13 View Post

I just got done reading that 12 page whopper on USB cables in the PC Audio forum and I really must say.

I listen to Coast to Coast AM at work for what I will describe as "for fun". I don't believe in UFOs, or shadow people, or homeopathy. I think it is all nonsense, and science says it is. They continually talk about how the "scientific community" refuses to believe their anecdotal evidence. There are boatloads of people that believe some absolutely insane things. 

This is the same kind of thing I see when the debates over cables come up. Especially what I just finished reading. That thread turned into a real whopper. Some of the arguments for the USB cables, in my opinion, sounded a lot like a typical Coast to Coast episode about UFO sightings or Bigfoot. \

"I know what I saw!!!"

I would like to audition some cables and stuff for myself, and may do so when the opportunity arises (and if I can get a refund). Though, since I won't be going in with an open mind, I doubt I'd hear anything.

Just my observations... 

Thanks for an excellent well phrased analysis!
post #2252 of 3037
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Originally Posted by Dustandshadow13 View Post

I would like to audition some cables and stuff for myself, and may do so when the opportunity arises
Don't waste your time. Really. If you want to experiment with things that can improve your listening experience, try some acoustical panels. Of course this applies for loudspeakers, not headphones. But I assume you use speakers too?

--Ethan
post #2253 of 3037
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Originally Posted by Dustandshadow13 View Post
 

I just got done reading that 12 page whopper on USB cables in the PC Audio forum and I really must say.

 

I listen to Coast to Coast AM at work for what I will describe as "for fun". I don't believe in UFOs, or shadow people, or homeopathy. I think it is all nonsense, and science says it is. They continually talk about how the "scientific community" refuses to believe their anecdotal evidence. There are boatloads of people that believe some absolutely insane things. 

 

This is the same kind of thing I see when the debates over cables come up. Especially what I just finished reading. That thread turned into a real whopper. Some of the arguments for the USB cables, in my opinion, sounded a lot like a typical Coast to Coast episode about UFO sightings or Bigfoot. \

 

"I know what I saw!!!"

 

I would like to audition some cables and stuff for myself, and may do so when the opportunity arises (and if I can get a refund). Though, since I won't be going in with an open mind, I doubt I'd hear anything.

 

Just my observations... 

But what about the people who have found shapeshifter droppings? Lol. I loved C2C when Art Bell was at the helm and even got to speak with him on air about 17 years ago or so....

post #2254 of 3037
Wanted to take a quick moment to thank you for the dinner time 313-post read, particularly the OP, Ethan Winer, xnor and big shot among others who've lived long enough to hopefully save the next generation of music lovers from being snookered.

I was particularly entertained by the claim that burning CDs on battery power produces a better sound...... because, you know, cleaner 1s and 0s.

I reached a point in 1994 of finding my happy medium: Sony ES receiver and cd player, Definitive Technology BP 2000s (mainly because I wanted to have two heavy, coffin-sized objects that I could knock over onto a burglar if there was a break-in), Sennheiser headphones, done.

Add some IEMs for my iPhone years later and all is well.

I've wanted to get rid of my vinyl/CD music collection and go digital there, but recent headphone/iem/earbud-souring experiences with UMG audible watermarking has changed that hope to despair. Plus the thought of babysitting my own digital transfers..... well maybe someday if I'm bedridden by a near-fatal disease.

Anyways, more convinced than ever that audio tech has achieved what it needs to achieve, short of incredibly cheap, reliable lifetime archiving of all your purchased content on the head of a pin, with no audible issues or greedy paranoid security semi-solutions throwing the quality backwards 30 years.

I will wait for that last step, and enjoy what I have, as I've done for so long.

Keep up the good work, and don't let the posers get you down! smily_headphones1.gif


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Ethan Winer is the real deal. When he speaks, I listen.

post #2256 of 3037
ALL YOUR BASE! Warning!
Audiophiles are everywhere. There may be one in your house RIGHT

NOW!


"My brother, an audio engineering whiz kid has proven to me what is real and what is not. We gathered up 5 of our audio buddies. We took my "old" Martin Logan SL-3 (not a bad speaker for accurate noise making) and hooked them up with Monster 1000 speaker cables (decent cables according to the audio press). They were connected to an ABX switch box allowing blind fold testing. The music was played. Of the 5 blind folded, only 2 guessed correctly which was the monster cable. Keeping us blind folded, my brother switched out the Belden wire (are you ready for this) with simple coat hanger wire! After 5 tests, none could determine which was the Monster 1000 cable or the coat hanger wire. Further, when music was played through the coat hanger wire, we were asked if what we heard sounded good to us. All agreed that what was heard sounded excellent"—Dr. Bob Dean

 

Source: https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Audiophile

 

I think cable guys are so funny........and perhaps delusionary. OK skip the "perhaps"

 

This is not an indictment on this forum at all!! I get awesome advice and knowledge from visiting. But this cable thing... come on, put it to bed or conduct a blind test including methodology proving your claims. I find it annoying and sad, that newbies come to this forum some spending unnecessary  cash on  cables when they could upgrade to something that makes a difference like DAP/headphone/amp upgrade..you know, something that might make a difference.
 

 

 

 


 

 


Edited by Steve58 - 11/30/13 at 7:33am
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I think audiophiles are just frustrated, wanna-be musicians without the skills or education.

If you really want to tweak, go out and get Native Instruments' Komplete 9 and then learn Reaktor. B)



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post #2258 of 3037
It's an attempt to paint the consuming of music as being an art form itself.
post #2259 of 3037
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Originally Posted by Copperears View Post

I think audiophiles are just frustrated, wanna-be musicians without the skills or education.

If you really want to tweak, go out and get Native Instruments' Komplete 9 and then learn Reaktor. B)



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Lets not generalise though:) There are also the ones that need the excitement of the next upgrade to "perfect their system" which is not feasible, but a never ending and a seductive journey.
What does seem to prevail though is an almost religious belief in 'Cables' have you seen the "audio mains cable" guys? they think that 1meter (about 3 foot) of high........sorry, expensive mains cable will rectify a power station 100 kilometers away and the house wiring.......now that is funny......... or....... scary actually.
post #2260 of 3037
Well, and it's just my opinion, I feel audio neurosis is driven by the need to do _something_ with the music, other than just passively consume it.

The logical next step would be therefore to produce it; and for the same price of some of this audio jewelry, there's a lot more tweaking fun to be had in trying to do so. smily_headphones1.gif

OTOH just spending money feels like doing something, but with the least possible effort. I would hope to encourage a more satisfying alternative! smily_headphones1.gif with a lot more satisfaction to be gained per dollar spent.

But again, that's just my opinion.



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post #2261 of 3037
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

It's an attempt to paint the consuming of music as being an art form itself.

Btw I don't mind your living in audio nirvana; the kids should go green, though.... and prefer IEMs! wink.gif



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post #2262 of 3037
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

It's an attempt to paint the consuming of music as being an art form itself.

 

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Really thats.......well out there....thats to weird!....LOL


Edited by Steve58 - 12/1/13 at 5:21am
post #2263 of 3037

Great thread and thanks to you all.

First thread I on Headfi I've actually read from beginning to end.:smile:

post #2264 of 3037

I have an odd situation. I am using 2 "different" sources for music playback , both only using digital COAX out to a digital pre.
Source 1 - tower PC running logitech media server to a Squeezebox , using the digital out of the squeezebox, The file coming out the COAX is bit perfect
Source 2 - Dell workstation , using foobar/Jriver/Plex/Media monkey etc as a player , Fed into a Behringer FCA1616 usb interface and using its COAX digital out to another input in the digital pre.

 

Both digital outputs use the same cable , both machines have their own external HD's housing the music.

The issue is that there is a distinct and noticeable difference between the 2 sources.... I cue up the same rip on one source as the other , play em synchronised and AB them .. there is no level matching required.


The SBT compared to the FCA is less detailed , mids are more recessed and bass is deeper and lacks the slam of the FCA.
NOt sure why this is the case , unless the FCA is doing some mangling , but on checking the output of both sources in a DAW , they are identical!!!

I have tried firewire with the same results as USB on the dell/FCA source , and tried different players and servers...all of them set NOT to upsample etc.


I have also noticed a difference when I compared the Squeezebox Touch's Coax vs Toslink output. In fact my friend noticed the difference in sound as well. I A/Bed the 2 to him and he instantly noticed.

 

Odd ..... It seems no convolution in DSP (like usb to SPDIF or optical convertors) is not inconsequential .. despite those protesting that they are.
Definitely not expectation bias / placebo effect etc....

post #2265 of 3037
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Originally Posted by Mezzo View Post
Definitely not expectation bias / placebo effect etc....

 

Can you post some recordings of a short (< 30 seconds) sample from both, as well as the original sample itself ?

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