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post #2176 of 3043
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Originally Posted by xnor View Post

Try a DBT. Do more trials. Document each trial, do not cherry pick.

 

If you achieve statistical significance we can start talking: what cables, what setup, ...

I've always wondered, is there any significant measurable difference in cable upgrades? Like, one humans can actually hear?

post #2177 of 3043
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Originally Posted by wahhabb View Post
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I have found that in many cases, there are obvious audible differences between cables, clear enough that the better cable can be immediately and consistently recognized.

 

Of course, there are other cable pairs that may sound different from one another, but without one clearly being "better."

 

 

 

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post #2178 of 3043
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I've always wondered, is there any significant measurable difference in cable upgrades? Like, one humans can actually hear?

Please see the first post in this thread.
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I admire the effort to compile the first post, but there is little there regarding cables; other than to say that middle aged men who claim to be audiophiles are, on average, likely not to hear differences in cables tested in group environments on systems they aren't familiar using tracks they haven't heard before.

post #2180 of 3043
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Originally Posted by thune View Post

I admire the effort to compile the first post, but there is little there regarding cables

 

As far as I can see, there are quite a few cable related links in the OP. But if you do not find any of them satisfactory, maybe you could post some (especially ones that did find a real difference that did not result from improper testing methods, broken cables, or other problems) yourself, so that they can be added to the list ?

post #2181 of 3043
Somebody doesn't want to listen to the facts! They're too busy listening to their wires.
post #2182 of 3043
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Originally Posted by thune View Post

I admire the effort to compile the first post, but there is little there regarding cables; other than to say that middle aged men who claim to be audiophiles are, on average, likely not to hear differences in cables tested in group environments on systems they aren't familiar using tracks they haven't heard before.

How about you just go perform a rudimentary DBT.

post #2183 of 3043
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post


Please see the first post in this thread.

I have, please see this link: 

http://www.harmanaudio.com/pv_obj_cache/pv_obj_id_7A7EB027F9D3A7B68272375CB10EFDC694000200/filename/audio_art_science.pdf

 

It's not working, so the lazy person that I am, I wondered if other people knew much about this topic!

post #2184 of 3043
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I've always wondered, is there any significant measurable difference in cable upgrades? Like, one humans can actually hear?

No one has found any, at least not beyond instances where the cable was either broken or so poorly designed it had sufficiently high resistance, capacitance and/or inductance that it was able alter the signal enough to be audible.

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post #2185 of 3043
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I have, please see this link: 
http://www.harmanaudio.com/pv_obj_cache/pv_obj_id_7A7EB027F9D3A7B68272375CB10EFDC694000200/filename/audio_art_science.pdf


It's not working, so the lazy person that I am, I wondered if other people knew much about this topic!

Here's the new URL for that piece.

http://www.harmanaudio.com/all_about_audio/audio_art_science.pdf

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post #2186 of 3043
What in that article did you want me to look at, Marleybob?
post #2187 of 3043
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

I've always wondered, is there any significant measurable difference in cable upgrades? Like, one humans can actually hear?


Well it's possible!

We see some very strange boutique cables and some very poorly designed audiophile equipment.

post #2188 of 3043
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Originally Posted by bigshot View Post

What in that article did you want me to look at, Marleybob?

Already got it! It was this article: http://www.harmanaudio.com/all_about_audio/audio_art_science.pdf But I couldn't find anything else regarding measurements and actual hearable differences.

This article contained less actual measurements and statistical proof of what differences are actually audible. So the search continues!

 

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Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post


Here's the new URL for that piece.

http://www.harmanaudio.com/all_about_audio/audio_art_science.pdf

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Thanks!

post #2189 of 3043
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Originally Posted by Marleybob217 View Post

Already got it! It was this article: http://www.harmanaudio.com/all_about_audio/audio_art_science.pdf But I couldn't find anything else regarding measurements and actual hearable differences.

This article contained less actual measurements and statistical proof of what differences are actually audible. So the search continues!

 

Thanks!


Great article! Thanks for the post.

post #2190 of 3043

This is quite possibly the best thread I've read on head-fi. Period. Thanks to all who contributed.

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