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post #106 of 864

There was a post somewhere in the review thread that shigzeo posted about the new model. I think it was made by KLS but it was all in Japanese but it did have a picture that looked like the ergonomics would be better.

post #107 of 864

Thanks pinkmoon. Yes, it's a relief to me too. It would have been a real bummer to have all of this anticipation built up and then be highly disappointed. This has happened to me before with the TF10 (yes, I am one of the few who wasn't really bowed over by the sound. So it's really wonderful when something meets or exceeds your expectations. It is the latter with these earphones.

 

 

@ Chris, there is something in this thread with pictures from an electronics trade show I think in Japan. Those future Radius DDMs do look nice, and I think there was something in my translation of that page that mentioned emphasis on the treble. If it will decrease the bass and mids in this current model I won't be interested. And the treble is fine for me in the current version, so I don't really see how they can up the ante on the highs and not ruin the other two sound spectrums. If they can do that, it may be worth it to me. Although I must say those look like they would be more comfortable than the current model - which is not really all that uncomfortable for me.

 

So, the DDMs love the Fiio 5 as an update. I don't need the bass boost at all. About to uDAC it in a few the real test out of my computer's iTunes database. Sound-wise everything is great, but I can that right tip size will be just as important for fit and getting the most out of the sound. The stock silicons are decent with it (they give you quite a few tips too that I will try on other IEMs), but I find the Monster hybrid serve me well on every IEM I own sans the e-Q7. More to come so stayed tune, or feel free to ask me questions since so many of you were gracious and patient with my questions as I waited. I really appreciate that  from you guys.

post #108 of 864

Haha I'm so glad you finally received them eric! I was a bit nervous particularly about you receiving them, because if you had disliked them right out of the box then I would have thought, "Aww, darnit, I actually still have to spend money on the FX700 or EQ-7 and get a tremendously better sound..." I think quite a lot of people have been waiting for your initial impressions. :D

 

I'm terribly pleased you're enjoying them. They really are tremendous value. I think everyone is put off by the fit issues, but for $160 USD I would take a chance (well.. I did.) to get this level of sound. And I'm personally not terribly excited by the prospect of a new model with more treble, because I think if the focus is on more treble, the engineers will equate that with etched, harsh sounding treble - something which is immediately striking but tiring to listen to over time.

 

Out of a uDAC, they sound really terrific - more dynamic and nuanced. I'm using medium sized Sony hybrid tips - I just find that if you wear the cable looped over the ear, the weight of the cable is pulling up and not down, and they feel very comfortable as a result.

 

What I mean is, imagine how they are supposed to be worn NOT over the ear (just straight down), then loop that cable forward and then back around the back of your ear. It looks a bit amusing, but it really works for me.

 

Congrats buddy, you're in for a fun burn in!

post #109 of 864


Ericp10,

 

I am glad you finally received your new "toy" today.  It was quite fun reading your impressions on DDM. I am glad you seem like enjoying it a bit. I also regard that they will need some time to settle. I am not sure what exactly changes after the burn in period, but one thing for sure, the bass gets clearer and tighter.

 

Have fun!

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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

Thanks pinkmoon. Yes, it's a relief to me too. It would have been a real bummer to have all of this anticipation built up and then be highly disappointed. This has happened to me before with the TF10 (yes, I am one of the few who wasn't really bowed over by the sound. So it's really wonderful when something meets or exceeds your expectations. It is the latter with these earphones.

 

 

@ Chris, there is something in this thread with pictures from an electronics trade show I think in Japan. Those future Radius DDMs do look nice, and I think there was something in my translation of that page that mentioned emphasis on the treble. If it will decrease the bass and mids in this current model I won't be interested. And the treble is fine for me in the current version, so I don't really see how they can up the ante on the highs and not ruin the other two sound spectrums. If they can do that, it may be worth it to me. Although I must say those look like they would be more comfortable than the current model - which is not really all that uncomfortable for me.

 

So, the DDMs love the Fiio 5 as an update. I don't need the bass boost at all. About to uDAC it in a few the real test out of my computer's iTunes database. Sound-wise everything is great, but I can that right tip size will be just as important for fit and getting the most out of the sound. The stock silicons are decent with it (they give you quite a few tips too that I will try on other IEMs), but I find the Monster hybrid serve me well on every IEM I own sans the e-Q7. More to come so stayed tune, or feel free to ask me questions since so many of you were gracious and patient with my questions as I waited. I really appreciate that  from you guys.

post #110 of 864
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Originally Posted by yello131 View Post

... I am not sure what exactly changes after the burn in period, but one thing for sure, the bass gets clearer and tighter.

 

To be honest, I'm thinking that the most important aspect of burn in with these earphones is psychological burn in. It took me some time to get my head around the fact that these sound absolutely brilliant with some songs, and comparatively conservative with others - and it seems entirely to do with the amount of detail and sensitivity in the original recording equipment. It took me a lot of time to come to the grips with the fact that the DDM's didn't have crisp, biting your ears treble, yet at the same time had a phenomenal amount of detail. It took me some time to come to the grips with the fact that a 15mm driver didn't mean they were actually miniature subwoofers pounding a night club into my ears.

 

By the time I realised that these were just beautiful and polite, and would only give me as much enjoyment as the quality of the recordings (much more so than any other phone I have used, including IEM's like the RE0), they had probably finished all their physical burn in. What is most bizarre is that there must be some level of detail on these IEM's that is psychoacoustic, because for some recordings they cause me to have an immediate emotional/psychological sensation even with the first piano note. The dead man's hand aspect that shigzeo was talking about...
 

post #111 of 864
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

Haha I'm so glad you finally received them eric! I was a bit nervous particularly about you receiving them, because if you had disliked them right out of the box then I would have thought, "Aww, darnit, I actually still have to spend money on the FX700 or EQ-7 and get a tremendously better sound..." I think quite a lot of people have been waiting for your initial impressions. :D

 

I'm terribly pleased you're enjoying them. They really are tremendous value. I think everyone is put off by the fit issues, but for $160 USD I would take a chance (well.. I did.) to get this level of sound. And I'm personally not terribly excited by the prospect of a new model with more treble, because I think if the focus is on more treble, the engineers will equate that with etched, harsh sounding treble - something which is immediately striking but tiring to listen to over time.

 

Out of a uDAC, they sound really terrific - more dynamic and nuanced. I'm using medium sized Sony hybrid tips - I just find that if you wear the cable looped over the ear, the weight of the cable is pulling up and not down, and they feel very comfortable as a result.

 

What I mean is, imagine how they are supposed to be worn NOT over the ear (just straight down), then loop that cable forward and then back around the back of your ear. It looks a bit amusing, but it really works for me.

 

Congrats buddy, you're in for a fun burn in!


Thank you a_recording buddy for your kind words and your patience with all of my questions...lol. The loop thing does work, but so far I get a pretty good solid sturdy fit letting them hang down with slider taking up some of the slack (forget the proper name for that thingy...lol). The uDAC loves these earphones. Now, I wouldn't say I love them better than the FX700, but I must say they aren't too far behind FX700 in sound quality straight out of the box. That is saying a lot considering the price. There is still a certain timbre and fullness that the FX700 possesses that I haven't heard before outside of full-size cans. But again, I reiterate, the DDM is very close. It's a bit cooler than the FX700, which is a good thing. And that's not to say the FX700 is really warm; it isn't as compared to the high warmth of the MDs that I love also. So I look at this way: the FX700 is worth low $300s scale (which is what I paid) - I don't  regret it. But the Radius DDM is sounding like a steal for it's $150 price point (I hope the company doesn't wake up and decide it put the wrong price on these...lol). In all fairness though, the FX700 is much much much better build quality than the DDM, and better in easy fit for more people than the DDM will be I'm afraid. But if we're going strictly by sound quality, I haven't heard one thing so far that the DDM can hold its head down low for hanging around the FX700, e-Q7 or MD. And this IEM blows the SE530 and TF10 out of the water. Forget about it!! Oh, and unfortunately (I like them a whole heck of a lot), the IE8 and IE7 can't compete IMO. I can't believe the sound coming out of these ugly little things (they're smaller than the pics show, just made awkwardly)...lol. Score one for the underdog!!

post #112 of 864

Thank you yello buddy!! Happy listening!

post #113 of 864

I know what you mean @ a_recording about psychoacoustic burn in. I kind of felt that way when I first heard the Miles Davis and a Chicago song I remember as a chile, "Beginnings." I had never heard such details of that song like I did then. I felt very emotional; something deep in my core was stirred. Then, when the mirco details of the FX700 opened up for me - especially on the Dr. Buzzard's Savannah Band's "Chez La Femme" - I had a similar experience. Thought I heard everything that was there to hear in that song, but I was wrong. About to try that song now with the DDM

post #114 of 864

 

 

Quote:But the Radius DDM is sounding like a steal for it's $150 price point (I hope the company doesn't wake up and decide it put the wrong price on these...lol)"

Thank you yello buddy!! Happy listening!

Ericp10,

 

you are welcome! 

 

As of price that Radius set for this beasts, I believe the actual street  price for DDM in Japan is 15,600 JPY, that is close or around $170USD, (depending on exchange rate)

  so considering one can acquire this from a local dealer in the States or UK for the same price this sell in Japan (plus/minus 20USD) that is not bad, taking into consideration the warranty support and all that goes with it.

 

I am sure DDM are worthwhile all $200 in my opinion. When I ordered this in March, (payed close to $200 and do not regret a bit), but at the time this were not available in UK or rest of the world.

All I hope this Radius will last long, even though I have warranty on mine till March 2011.

 

BTW, have you enjoyed Jazz with this at all?

post #115 of 864

LOL @ me! By accident I thought I was on this thread and read someone's question wrong about the e-Q7 having more bass than the Radius DDM.. I know they are like "what the hell?".. LOL. And no, I haven't been drinking. So I figure I might as well post all of that type here. I don't know how to erase it there, so I've copied it over here below:

 

 

No way the bass is lighter than the e-Q7?  Who told you that? I would think they didn't have a proper fit or seal. By the way, I figured out why the earphones don't lay completely flat in the inner lobe. It appears it was intentionally designed that way. Why? Well, because the port is is directly in the middle of the flat back surface. So if you push the earphones in all the way onto the lobe (they are really designed so that you can't without it bouncing back into position), the earphone loses soundstage and naturalness of sound. It cuts into the sound significantly. So this is how air is getting in and allowing the drivers to breathe some.

 

Back the to the e-Q7: Just like said about the FX700 and the Orto, the same applies to the DDM. They are just different sound signatures. Very hard to compare the two - although I will try to in the near future. You can, however, compare quantity of bass. I will say without much burn in, it's clear that the DDM has more quantity of bass than the Orto. Which has better quality? MMMMM? I cannot definitely say at this point, but I would give the edge to the Orto with the DDM nipping at its heels.  This could change with burn in because they are both so close in quality, but different sound sigs. If I through in the the FX700, it would win in quality and quantity. But here's the thing, the Orto reproduces drums (just drums for some strange reason) like I've heard no other IEM do. I think it still leads the pack in that regard, but again, doesn't leave the DDM in the backfield gasping for breath. Quantity again, clearly the DDM wins. I think one may think that the DDM doesn't have much bass as it does because the mids are more forward than the Orto, but frequencies don't really bleed into each other, but blend well with each other. The DDM is very clear too. You have the weight and punch of the bass drum being kicked. Just my two cents.

 

post #116 of 864

Hi Eric,

 

Great impressions. How's the treble on these Radius 2 driver mutant compared to e-Q7?

post #117 of 864
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Originally Posted by yello131 View Post

 

 

Ericp10,

 

you are welcome! 

 

As of price that Radius set for this beasts, I believe the actual street  price for DDM in Japan is 15,600 JPY, that is close or around $170USD, (depending on exchange rate)

  so considering one can acquire this from a local dealer in the States or UK for the same price this sell in Japan (plus/minus 20USD) that is not bad, taking into consideration the warranty support and all that goes with it.

 

I am sure DDM are worthwhile all $200 in my opinion. When I ordered this in March, (payed close to $200 and do not regret a bit), but at the time this were not available in UK or rest of the world.

All I hope this Radius will last long, even though I have warranty on mine till March 2011.

 

BTW, have you enjoyed Jazz with this at all?


Yes yello, funny thing is that I emailed seyo-shop where I ordered the FX700 from (and who had the lowest price at the time for USA citizens getting that JVC). Well, they took their time responding and I found music dynamic-accessory.com from Hong Kong where I ended up spending $165 shipped (decent price I feel for these). Anyway, after I had ordered from the Hong Kong dealer, seyo-shop emailed back finally and said the DDM would cost me like $230 plus $12 shipping for a total of $242!  Yes, $77 more to get the Japanese headphones from its mother country than to get them from China like I did. Go figure? 

 

Anyway @ yello, yes, I have tried the IEMs with jazz, but mainly jazz with lots of guitar and a strings section. A couple of tracks with piano. Sounds great to me with this all genres I've thrown at it thus far. Actually, with some rock tracks it was a tad bit too polite for my liking, but those were played straight out the box. I don't expect it to stay that way with rock, but I also don't it expect it to have the slam with rock and heavy r&b that those genres have with the FX700. So yes, so far I think it's great with jazz.

post #118 of 864
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Originally Posted by Pianist View Post

Hi Eric,

 

Great impressions. How's the treble on these Radius 2 driver mutant compared to e-Q7?


Thank you Pianist. To be honest, the treble on the e-Q7 was very recessed to me - not that I minded - until I started using the FX700 large silicon tips on them (and to some extent the Sony hybrid large tips). The DDM's treble is much more extended than the Orto's highs. Yet, clearly the bass and mids take precedence in these phones, but the treble is there and it is nicely detailed. The treble, however, doesn't extend with as much detail and natural sound as say the Miles Davis, Copper or FX700. In all fairness, these haven't had much of a break-in time yet, so they may shine more later. I can hear potential, but that's where we are right now buddy.

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Thank you Pianist. To be honest, the treble on the e-Q7 was very recessed to me - not that I minded - until I started using the FX700 large silicon tips on them (and to some extent the Sony hybrid large tips). The DDM's treble is much more extended than the Orto's highs. Yet, clearly the bass and mids take precedence in these phones, but the treble is there and it is nicely detailed. The treble, however, doesn't extend with as much detail and natural sound as say the Miles Davis, Copper or FX700. In all fairness, these haven't had much of a break-in time yet, so they may shine more later. I can hear potential, but that's where we are right now buddy.

 

That's good to hear. I found the e-Q7 to be rather subpar in the treble. Extension actually wasn't much of an issue I think, since they are strong up to about 14.5 kHz. It was the quality of the treble that was the problem to my ears. The highs simply don't sound as smooth and refined on the Ortos as I would've liked. If the Radius has better treble quality, but also similar quality mids and bass to the e-Q7, they are real winners IMO.
 


Edited by Pianist - 5/19/10 at 12:38am
post #120 of 864
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Originally Posted by ericp10 View Post

I know what you mean @ a_recording about psychoacoustic burn in. I kind of felt that way when I first heard the Miles Davis and a Chicago song I remember as a chile, "Beginnings.


Lol eric! Were you a Voodoo Chile when you were a chile?

 

Or were you a Red Hot Chili Pepper?

 

Great impressions by the way. They sound like they could be the bargain of the year!

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